Poll: Which Golden Model Do You Want to See in 15V Next?

[horzuff]

Voted military as I'm not thrilled with S30V yet really waiting for the Military 2 itself.

However I'm 99% as interested in a Native Chief in 15V :D

[kobold]

Voted Native Chief, but the liner lock Military is my primary choice.

[ImHereForTheMilitary2]

Voted military as I'm not thrilled with S30V yet really waiting for the Military 2 itself.

However I'm 99% as interested in a Native Chief in 15V :D

What dont you like about s30v? Is it a bad steel?

[steelcity16]

liner lock military

[Sharp Guy]

What dont you like about s30v? Is it a bad steel?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with S30V. It's actually considered a premium steel, it's well-balanced, and Spyderco wouldn't use it if it wasn't any good. I have a lot of it and I actually like it. Some people just get caught up in the whole steel of the moment thing and get bored with steels that are more common. It's easy to do with a company like Spyderco that gives so many great steel options

Diverting a thread is generally viewed as poor form. So probably best to get back to discussing the next 15V models

[ImHereForTheMilitary2]

What dont you like about s30v? Is it a bad steel?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with S30V. It's actually considered a premium steel, it's well-balanced, and Spyderco wouldn't use it if it wasn't any good. I have a lot of it and I actually like it. Some people just get caught up in the whole steel of the moment thing and get bored with steels that are more common. It's easy to do with a company like Spyderco that gives so many great steel options

Diverting a thread is generally viewed as poor form. So probably best to get back to discussing the next 15V models

I'm very sorry I had no idea that was bad form. I just got a little nervous. In the past 2 weeks I bought 4 new knives from Spyderco all s30v and then I saw that comment and it freaked me out a little. Thanks for the great comfort though.

[Deadboxhero]

What dont you like about s30v? Is it a bad steel?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with S30V. It's actually considered a premium steel, it's well-balanced, and Spyderco wouldn't use it if it wasn't any good. I have a lot of it and I actually like it. Some people just get caught up in the whole steel of the moment thing and get bored with steels that are more common. It's easy to do with a company like Spyderco that gives so many great steel options

Diverting a thread is generally viewed as poor form. So probably best to get back to discussing the next 15V models

I'm very sorry I had no idea that was bad form. I just got a little nervous. In the past 2 weeks I bought 4 new knives from Spyderco all s30v and then I saw that comment and it freaked me out a little. Thanks for the great comfort though.

I talked to Eric Glesser at Shot Show 2023, he felt CPM S30V is still a great steel and he felt the processing of the S30V was very important for the overall experience.


The newer PM stainless steels intended to replace CPM S30V sought to BALANCE the properties (toughness ,stainlessness, etc) over S30V but was done with some trade-offs to the overall cutting edge retention at similar hardness.

I don't recommend looking at the different knife steels like different brands of luxury watches or trading cards.

Getting into knife sharpening is also an important part of truly experiencing what the names of those steels actually mean.

[Deadboxhero]

I really want a Military 2 in CPM 15V.



I feel one of the best advantages to getting Spyderco to use CPM 15V with special HT was so we could finally get that full sized military slicer with a steel at high hardness packed to the brim with hard carbides bristling at the edge. A military 2 would be a total beast for long draw cuts with excellent grab and bite at the edge.


Longer blade= more edge = more slicing draw and edge retention

[Cycletroll]

Military2. Don’t even need two gray cells to rub for this decision.

Ditto!

[Bolster]

Didn't vote...I would prefer my next 15V blade be in a Chaparral or...hope against hope...a LW Caly.

[kennethsime]

I really want a Military 2 in CPM 15V.

I feel one of the best advantages to getting Spyderco to use CPM 15V with special HT was so we could finally get that full sized military slicer with a steel at high hardness packed to the brim with hard carbides bristling at the edge. A military 2 would be a total beast for long draw cuts with excellent grab and bite at the edge.

Longer blade= more edge = more slicing draw and edge retention

I was going to write something approaching this in my initial response, but I'm glad I refrained. Well said, Shawn.

[kennethsime]

I tried to click "Stretch 2 XL 15V SE," but it wouldn't take.
Maybe 'cuz it's gonna be in K390?

It is going to be released in K390, and I'll be right there with you buying one.

Could the Delica 4 option be added? It has an ideal edge geometry, Thank you

I focused the poll on Golden models because the steel has only been used in Golden so far. I think that is probably likely to remain the case for the foreseeable future, but I could be wrong.

Didn't vote...I would prefer my next 15V blade be in a Chaparral or...hope against hope...a LW Caly.

Really stoked to see that new lightweight Caly.

[Deadboxhero]

I tried to click "Stretch 2 XL 15V SE," but it wouldn't take.
Maybe 'cuz it's gonna be in K390?

It is going to be released in K390, and I'll be right there with you buying one.

Could the Delica 4 option be added? It has an ideal edge geometry, Thank you

I focused the poll on Golden models because the steel has only been used in Golden so far. I think that is probably likely to remain the case for the foreseeable future, but I could be wrong.

Didn't vote...I would prefer my next 15V blade be in a Chaparral or...hope against hope...a LW Caly.

Really stoked to see that new lightweight Caly.

I feel Golden is the home of CPM 15V.


I worked really closely with Golden on the 15V heat treatment. There was a lot of back and forth conversations and shipping of test samples and coupons.

So, it's not just the name of the steel on the side of the blade and heat treatment is more than opening a Betty Crocker cookbook.

When working on the AEB-L made in Italy, I didn't have the creative freedom I did with Golden.

Keep in mind here folks, decisions about if the CPM 15V will be done abroad or solely in Golden are NOT up to me. So, hopefully I'm not being out of line here or saying something that won't hold up over time yet, it is out of my control.


However, If it was up to me, I think the CPM 15V would work best in just Golden since there is a lot of unseen working experience that has been established. I was further impressed by how everyone at the Golden HT team came together under my plan to do the little extra things needed to help make this CPM 15V heat treatment special and where it needed to be.

If you could imagine, there was a lot of pressure to meet expectations when getting such a niche material to such a wide audience and if done and improperly 15V could be so brittle it would be unusable, So the consequences could have been huge. I feel a material like 15V is more sensitive than AEB-L so I appreciated having more involvement.


Even the 15V melt chemistry itself was specially selected to work best with this heat treatment so it was more involved than people realize to get the consistency we achieved on such a large scale.

On a side note, not all of us make knives so I think some details need to be put into context.

CPM 15V is a nightmare material to work with and finish.

Golden has a massive amount of specialized expertise, equipment and personal from working with Maxamet to really crush the 15V and make it appear "easy"

So, it shouldn't be a surprise that Golden is my favorite Spyderco Factory. They can eat any steel, any place, anytime and not to diminish the other factories, but Golden is an extraordinary group of people in all departments.


So while a 15V delica would be pretty rad I think seki already has there own thing going with K390.

Just my opinions.

[ImHereForTheMilitary2]

I tried to click "Stretch 2 XL 15V SE," but it wouldn't take.
Maybe 'cuz it's gonna be in K390?

It is going to be released in K390, and I'll be right there with you buying one.

Could the Delica 4 option be added? It has an ideal edge geometry, Thank you

I focused the poll on Golden models because the steel has only been used in Golden so far. I think that is probably likely to remain the case for the foreseeable future, but I could be wrong.

Didn't vote...I would prefer my next 15V blade be in a Chaparral or...hope against hope...a LW Caly.

Really stoked to see that new lightweight Caly.

I feel Golden is the home of CPM 15V.


I worked really closely with Golden on the 15V heat treatment. There was a lot of back and forth conversations and shipping of test samples and coupons.

So, it's not just the name of the steel on the side of the blade and heat treatment is more than opening a Betty Crocker cookbook.

When working on the AEB-L made in Italy, I didn't have the creative freedom I did with Golden.

Keep in mind here folks, decisions about if the CPM 15V will be done abroad or solely in Golden are NOT up to me. So, hopefully I'm not being out of line here or saying something that won't hold up over time yet, it is out of my control.


However, If it was up to me, I think the CPM 15V would work best in just Golden since there is a lot of unseen working experience that has been established. I was further impressed by how everyone at the Golden HT team came together under my plan to do the little extra things needed to help make this CPM 15V heat treatment special and where it needed to be.

If you could imagine, there was a lot of pressure to meet expectations when getting such a niche material to such a wide audience and if done and improperly 15V could be so brittle it would be unusable, So the consequences could have been huge. I feel a material like 15V is more sensitive than AEB-L so I appreciated having more involvement.


Even the 15V melt chemistry itself was specially selected to work best with this heat treatment so it was more involved than people realize to get the consistency we achieved on such a large scale.

On a side note, not all of us make knives so I think some details need to be put into context.

CPM 15V is a nightmare material to work with and finish.

Golden has a massive amount of specialized expertise, equipment and personal from working with Maxamet to really crush the 15V and make it appear "easy"

So, it shouldn't be a surprise that Golden is my favorite Spyderco Factory. They can eat any steel, any place, anytime and not to diminish the other factories, but Golden is an extraordinary group of people in all departments.


So while a 15V delica would be pretty rad I think seki already has there own thing going with K390.

Just my opinions.

I hope nobody needed anything in that case because this dude just closed it.

[Cycletroll]

Thanks for the insights Shawn! I really appreciate all the effort that went into this project!

[JSumm]

I voted the Shawn Houston Collab!

As far as Seki models go. I hope they just keep working their K390 magic there. It is a beauty.

[JoviAl]

I think this is an excellent choice for 15V. I have a 15V Shaman and while it is a thing of such loveliness it pains me to use it, the blade is so thick I would like to try it in something longer, slicy-er, and altogher more Manix 2 XL-ier (which, let’s face it, is the greatest folding knife of all time ).

I really cant argue that. I love the military and native lines and the pm2 was my first ever spyderco so I have a soft spot for it, but the manix 2 really is tops. I need to get an xl but I want to hold off until it comes in something like s90v or 15v

If you can find one the cru-wear exclusive is brilliant, although in fairness the standard S30V one is pretty excellent too. I’ve been on the prowl for a 4V one but I keep missing them If and when they make a Magnacut one I will be extremely happy.

[Unbrokenchain33]

Sage

[NCJohn62]

Didn't vote...I would prefer my next 15V blade be in a Chaparral or...hope against hope...a LW Caly.

I'm completely with you on this, however I'm not sure Taichung can handle the HT or the grind as Shawn just detailed above

[weeping minora]

Didn't vote as I'd like to see both the Military 2 and the Native Chief catch the 15Virus.

Been insanely impressed with the 15V MULE. That motherlover just won't quit and is perplexingly laughable to sharpen and keep sharp, for ridiculous amounts of time. No hype, just ripe. Get 15V in as the mainstay flagship super steel in Golden and put the sprint runs on strike!! Lets get it done Spyderco.