Broken Blade
Broken Blade
Just a little reminder to not abuse your knives:
I spotted a spydie hole in a junk box at work and I was super excited until I saw the rest.. I've heard lots of talk about how the saber grind is much stronger than a FFG. It doesn't change the strength of a pivot.
I spotted a spydie hole in a junk box at work and I was super excited until I saw the rest.. I've heard lots of talk about how the saber grind is much stronger than a FFG. It doesn't change the strength of a pivot.
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Yep. Been saying this for years. Also the argument that putting a hole in the blade weakens it, which may well be true but it's not likely to be the weakest point anyway.
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oof.
keep your knife sharp and your focus sharper.
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C36MCW2, C258YL, C253GBBK, C258GFBL, C101GBBK2, C11GYW, C11FWNB20CV, C101GBN15V2, C101GODFDE2, C60GGY, C149G, C189, C101GBN2, MT35, C211TI, C242CF, C217GSSF, C101BN2, C85G2, C91BBK, C142G, C122GBBK, LBK, LYL3HB, C193, C28YL2, C11ZPGYD, C41YL5, C252G, C130G, PLKIT1
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current collection:
C36MCW2, C258YL, C253GBBK, C258GFBL, C101GBBK2, C11GYW, C11FWNB20CV, C101GBN15V2, C101GODFDE2, C60GGY, C149G, C189, C101GBN2, MT35, C211TI, C242CF, C217GSSF, C101BN2, C85G2, C91BBK, C142G, C122GBBK, LBK, LYL3HB, C193, C28YL2, C11ZPGYD, C41YL5, C252G, C130G, PLKIT1
spyderco steels:
H2, CPM 20CV, CPM 15V, CTS 204P, CPM CRUWEAR, CPM S30V, N690Co, M390, CPM MagnaCut, LC200N, CTS XHP, H1, 8Cr13MoV, GIN-1, CTS BD1, VG-10, VG-10/Damascus, 440C
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Modern folders from companies like Spyderco are quite tough but are still more oriented for vertical slicing performance.
Even if you don’t snap the blade you can often over time increase tolerances.
Even if you don’t snap the blade you can often over time increase tolerances.
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It almost looks like the inspiration for a certain rocks whiskey glass.
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In my opinion (just guessing, I have no prove!) a folder will either snap first at the very tip or at the pivot or the pivot/blade will rip out of the handle as a whole--- before the blade actually breaks (somewhere else than in the very tip area).
I snapped some tips (really just the tiny last part), but never came close to breaking the blade of a Spydie, also not at the pivot.
And I certainly do abuse my folders, but see no reason to do "pry to the max" tests... I did pry open a window though once with my Pac Salt (H1, the sabre grind certainly helps here), but I held it on the actual blade (pinch grip) while doing so, so no stress for the pivot area occured.
I snapped some tips (really just the tiny last part), but never came close to breaking the blade of a Spydie, also not at the pivot.
And I certainly do abuse my folders, but see no reason to do "pry to the max" tests... I did pry open a window though once with my Pac Salt (H1, the sabre grind certainly helps here), but I held it on the actual blade (pinch grip) while doing so, so no stress for the pivot area occured.
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- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
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Weld on a piece of steel and make a hidden tang paring knife…….
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I couldn't agree more. An old machinist I used to work with who also liked and collected knives>> he said on a few occasions that a knife is supposed to be use for it's intended purpose and not as a screwdriver, prybar, wood chisel or some type of a reamer.
It really amazes me when I see someone using a knife for the most bizarre and outrageous uses. But I do occasionally see people using knives in several idiotic ways. But this must have been a dandy for sure.
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Good idea.
I can envision situations where a tool needs to be abused, and possibly destroyed, in order to complete a task that must be done, but not so much in a work environment where you would, presumably, have something better suited to the task at hand.
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A knife is a tool in the end, it's not some mystical object It has an intended purpose, but just like flathead screwdrivers, it can and should serve for tasks on the spot that go out their confort zone.JD Spydo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:11 amI couldn't agree more. An old machinist I used to work with who also liked and collected knives>> he said on a few occasions that a knife is supposed to be use for it's intended purpose and not as a screwdriver, prybar, wood chisel or some type of a reamer.
It really amazes me when I see someone using a knife for the most bizarre and outrageous uses. But I do occasionally see people using knives in several idiotic ways. But this must have been a dandy for sure.
The only real difference with a screwdrivers is the price and the attachement some people have for their knives. Some baby them because they spent 100+ on the piece. I've rarely saw people babying screwdrivers.
I've carried a mini adamas for some weeks and was working stuff around the house. It eat everything I threw at it without flinching. Even some tasks you'd qualify as "idiotic".
Most Spyderco knives are pure slicers, the PM2 being a prime example. That doesn't mean knives in general should just be used as pure slicers. I like versatile knives more than pure slicers myself because I'm not a "fancy" knife guy or a collector. To me, knives are tools first and foremost, I use them hard.
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Out of curiosity, I would like to see the rest of the knife and the story behind the destruction. MG2
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I've used my Hinderer to pry plates off, where the gasket has been stuck. Not too tough, but the thick blade and how the stop pin alleviates pressure on the pivot certainly make it more suited to that task than an endura or police.Xformer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:23 amA knife is a tool in the end, it's not some mystical object It has an intended purpose, but just like flathead screwdrivers, it can and should serve for tasks on the spot that go out their confort zone.JD Spydo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:11 amI couldn't agree more. An old machinist I used to work with who also liked and collected knives>> he said on a few occasions that a knife is supposed to be use for it's intended purpose and not as a screwdriver, prybar, wood chisel or some type of a reamer.
It really amazes me when I see someone using a knife for the most bizarre and outrageous uses. But I do occasionally see people using knives in several idiotic ways. But this must have been a dandy for sure.
The only real difference with a screwdrivers is the price and the attachement some people have for their knives. Some baby them because they spent 100+ on the piece. I've rarely saw people babying screwdrivers.
I've carried a mini adamas for some weeks and was working stuff around the house. It eat everything I threw at it without flinching. Even some tasks you'd qualify as "idiotic".
Most Spyderco knives are pure slicers, the PM2 being a prime example. That doesn't mean knives in general should just be used as pure slicers. I like versatile knives more than pure slicers myself because I'm not a "fancy" knife guy or a collector. To me, knives are tools first and foremost, I use them hard.
I still don't make it a habit. A knife is a knife, and if I really needed to use some force I have a demo screwdriver for that task.
One thing that always gets me is watching people baton with a folder locked open, then they complain when the lock doesn't hold anymore. Well, you destroyed the locking faces by beating on the knife, which will transmit the force through the weakest areas. Do as the manufacturers say (unlock the blade) and it will work and won't get damaged.
Spine whacking also goes into this category. Sure, a few small taps aren't going to hurt, but some people really whack them, then claim that so and so knives are terrible. No, the knives were fine, it was the nut behind the wheel that ruined them.
Just my 2 cents.
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This has been great entertainment, a broken blade and a dissertation on Spyderco pure slicers . :) MG2
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A knife is only as strong as its weakest point
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Most blade I've seen broken were at this point, but there's a lot of Maxamet PM2s online that we can see broken top to bottom at the thumb hole.
Someone even said the blade on his Maxamet PM2 broke just by flicking it open too hard ! It's weird cause I have two Maxamet knives and have been doing stupid stuff with one of the two, just to see up to where it'll go. It'll go plenty far enough if we still think of it as a knife. If we are trying to use it as a throwing knife, that'll be a shame for sure.
Especially when the spyderthrowers are still available !
Someone even said the blade on his Maxamet PM2 broke just by flicking it open too hard ! It's weird cause I have two Maxamet knives and have been doing stupid stuff with one of the two, just to see up to where it'll go. It'll go plenty far enough if we still think of it as a knife. If we are trying to use it as a throwing knife, that'll be a shame for sure.
Especially when the spyderthrowers are still available !
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Everyone uses their own knives the way they see fit.
I always carry an a5 least one, and usually two, SAKS, along with whatever Spyderco I happen to be carrying. If I need to do some light prying, I use the large screwdriver/bottle opener blade, and pinch it at its base while doing that. For a little more significant prying, I have a mini prybar on my keyring. Anything more significant than that, a folding knife blade certainly isn't going to do as well.
If I need to open a can or such, I use the can opener. For example, I've seen videos where people boasted they could open a can with their Spyderco Police. I can do it much faster, better, more hygienic, and more safely with my SAK.
But clearly, many knife carriers want to carry only one knife, and expect that one knife to be a jack of all trades.
Jim
I always carry an a5 least one, and usually two, SAKS, along with whatever Spyderco I happen to be carrying. If I need to do some light prying, I use the large screwdriver/bottle opener blade, and pinch it at its base while doing that. For a little more significant prying, I have a mini prybar on my keyring. Anything more significant than that, a folding knife blade certainly isn't going to do as well.
If I need to open a can or such, I use the can opener. For example, I've seen videos where people boasted they could open a can with their Spyderco Police. I can do it much faster, better, more hygienic, and more safely with my SAK.
But clearly, many knife carriers want to carry only one knife, and expect that one knife to be a jack of all trades.
Jim
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My thought exactly. The right tool for the right job. Don't be lazy get what you need.