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Hoping to snag one of those too.
Spyderco seems to be doing a great job with high edge retention tool steels, and I can appreciate that effort, but I only need so much of that stuff. Thin and light however, that bucket isn’t even half full yet.
Spyderco seems to be doing a great job with high edge retention tool steels, and I can appreciate that effort, but I only need so much of that stuff. Thin and light however, that bucket isn’t even half full yet.
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Where can I buy a Charisma! That looks like what I've been hoping for!
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The Charisma has been around for a few years, I remember Eric showing it to me at least 2 years back at Blade Show. It feels like an Opinel crossed with a Spyderco, and I was instantly interested.
While it looks cool, the RIL Tenacious seems like a knife that will miss some marks, based on 8Cr13 or D2 steel, non-deep carry clip and what I'd guess will be a over $100 price point. That is just not what the market at large wants in a RIL. Maybe I'll be wrong on price, but I don't think this will be a very competitive value knife.
While it looks cool, the RIL Tenacious seems like a knife that will miss some marks, based on 8Cr13 or D2 steel, non-deep carry clip and what I'd guess will be a over $100 price point. That is just not what the market at large wants in a RIL. Maybe I'll be wrong on price, but I don't think this will be a very competitive value knife.
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I don’t think the frame lock Tenacious is going to have a low end steel, there’s a whole thread about it where Sal talked about what they’re prototyping. I have it in my head that this was a Golden model but I may be misremembering (Taiwan would make more sense).
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I'm also skeptical of super thin bladestock. I do like my Z-Cut for trimming chicken fat. The blade flex helps with that. I don't like it for anything else. If you make a cut straight down the blade can flex suddenly upon hitting the cutting board because you needed some force and the blade didn't impact exactly perpendicular.
Super thin blade stock will give you ultra light weight. For cutting most things it just doesn't offer a benefit. You can get the same cutting performance with a thinner (steeper) primary grind on thicker stock.
Super thin blade stock will give you ultra light weight. For cutting most things it just doesn't offer a benefit. You can get the same cutting performance with a thinner (steeper) primary grind on thicker stock.
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The Charisma’s neutral blade-angle signals to me that it is not meant to be driven into the matter being parted. Thus, it’s not as robust as most Spydies with their negative blade-angles.
Instead, the Charisma’s super-thin blade-stock requires only the slightest downward pressure to do the parting. Thus, it should be safe from catastrophic failure. That is, so long as we don’t push the envelope of its design.
I sorta see the Charisma as Spyderco’s test of our self-discipline for having clamored for “thinner” since the Chaparral.
I look forward to seeing if I can behave myself. I’ve had a little practice with my not-quite-as-extreme Pattadese.
Instead, the Charisma’s super-thin blade-stock requires only the slightest downward pressure to do the parting. Thus, it should be safe from catastrophic failure. That is, so long as we don’t push the envelope of its design.
I sorta see the Charisma as Spyderco’s test of our self-discipline for having clamored for “thinner” since the Chaparral.
I look forward to seeing if I can behave myself. I’ve had a little practice with my not-quite-as-extreme Pattadese.
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What we see is what we’ll get. It’s a production sample; made in China with 8Cr13MoV.zhyla wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:34 amI don’t think the frame lock Tenacious is going to have a low end steel, there’s a whole thread about it where Sal talked about what they’re prototyping. I have it in my head that this was a Golden model but I may be misremembering (Taiwan would make more sense).
The lightning strike anodized version will use D2 and there are also other versions of the Tenacious currently in production using S35VN and CPM-M4.
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The upcoming Charisma folder kind of reminds me of the Victorinox Swiss Classic Picnic knives which are liner lock folders weighing 1.5 ounces (42g). Blade steel is the German 1.4116 56 RC stainless steel (close in composition to 420HC steel), plain or fully serrated edge, blade length of 4.3" (110mm) and blade thickness of 0.07" (1.7mm). The handle is Polypropylene and comes in various colors.
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I found it surprising too.
I agree that they do look really nice. I also noticed that these two titanium Tenacious do not share the same scales and now I’m curious why…
The plain blue scales are 4-way clip position, have chamfered corners on the scales, and flat “jimping” on the lock bar.
The lightning strike scales are tip up only, have filleted corners on the scales, and angled “jimping” on the lock bar.
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For everyone worried the Charisma will immediately shatter during use, that’s thicker than 3 disposable utility razor blades. It’s not something you’d sell at Walmart next to the Gerber machetes but as an enthusiast blade it should be fine.
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I haven't read a single person who thinks this knife will shatter immediately upon use. Who is "everyone," are you referring to posts on some other forum, or just exaggerating for effect? The blade is considerably longer than a utility blade and also has a large hole in it, so the comparison isn't working for me. I understand why people (including myself, very likely, since I really like the design) would use such a blade with due caution.
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There seems to be an increase in unwarranted movements to “defeat” folders be that thin tip, thin stock, blade hole causing cracks/breaks, thumb studs causing cracks/breaks, harsh spine whacking to defeat locks and so forth. Just say no. Undoubtedly, you can defeat all folders given enough effort.
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Color me intrigued. I don’t think I’ve seen a knife that thin for a long time.Mr Blonde wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 1:12 pmThe Spyderco Charisma was a new design that seemed to want to fly out of my lightbox. This was an impressively thin and lightweight folder. The cutting edge however, is almost as long as the edge found on a Paramilitary 2. The Charisma is thin and light enough to easily carry in a shirt pocket. I did have to practice a bit to find the opening hole, but after a few cycles, opening and closing was very easy. The 3D handle design offered a bit extra grip. Again, and I can’t stress this enough, the Charisma was impressively light and thin. Despite its diminutive dimensions, I didn’t notice any noticeable flex when handling the Charisma.
This is the last of the Spyderco Production Samples I got to shoot and share with you. I’m working on videos of these knives, but they won’t feature any new knives, just more footage….
Approximate Specifications
Overall Length: 6.73 inch / 171 mm
Blade Length: 3 inch / 76 mm
Blade Thickness: 0.04 inch / 1 mm
Steel: CTS-BD1N
Weight: 0.8 oz / 23 g
Grind: Full-flat
Handle: FRN
I have no information on pricing or release dates.
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The Charisma could conceivably replace my apple eating and pumpkin carving pocket knives, as well as squirrel and rabbit knives.
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