Military Sprint Runs No More?

[sal]

Hi Brj,

Beautiful collection! Thanx for the support.

sal

[mark greenman]

While I like the new Military 2 version, to me it’s a larger PM2 and not so much a “Military” anymore. I’m not writing this to provoke a discussion about their relative merits or how one can’t stop the flow of “progress” — just a personal opinion from someone who’s a huge fan of the original.

Absolutely +1 on this. Not a fan of the 'mega choil' or any of the other improvements introduced with the Para 2/3 line. Will most likely get the S90V version, but I know it could never melt in my hand as the OG does. I'm glad I got in on the St. Nick's sprint, most likely the very last iteration of the OG Millie.

Incredible collection. I only have the CPM D2 Sprint, but its served me very well since it was released in ~2007/08.

I'd say we've seen a good run of Sprints for the Mil1, and its reasonable for Sprints to now pivot to the Mil2 to help launch that new model.

[ejames13]

We never got a Maxamet or 15V Military.

Would love to see either one. I imagine a Maxamet Milly (or even Milly 2) is unlikely given how difficult it was to work with even in the PM2 platform.

[Doc Dan]

I like the Mil2, but not the choil. I hope when Spyderco does CQI one of the changes is to go back to the Mil1 choil.

I think the Millie 2 will be a better and stronger knife with the compression lock.

[Wartstein]

I like the Mil2, but not the choil. I hope when Spyderco does CQI one of the changes is to go back to the Mil1 choil.
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Yes, the "minimal" Millie 1 choil is great - and that you with your as I know large hands and thick fingers says this means something (and I don´t have small hands either)

[Mushroom]

I like the Mil2, but not the choil. I hope when Spyderco does CQI one of the changes is to go back to the Mil1 choil.

I think the Millie 2 will be a better and stronger knife with the compression lock.

Have you held a Military 2 in hand yet? The full size choil feels much improved and really highlights how undersized the choil on the Military Model is.

[Wartstein]

I like the Mil2, but not the choil. I hope when Spyderco does CQI one of the changes is to go back to the Mil1 choil.

I think the Millie 2 will be a better and stronger knife with the compression lock.

Have you held a Military 2 in hand yet? The full size choil feels much improved and really highlights how undersized the choil on the Military Model is.

Since I chimed in on this too:

Admittedly I haven't held a Millie 2, but I know both PM2 choil and Millie 1 choil well - and clearly prefer the latter, not "undersized" for my not small fingers, and Doc actually has stated several times that he has particularily thick fingers..

[Mushroom]

I like the Mil2, but not the choil. I hope when Spyderco does CQI one of the changes is to go back to the Mil1 choil.

I think the Millie 2 will be a better and stronger knife with the compression lock.

Have you held a Military 2 in hand yet? The full size choil feels much improved and really highlights how undersized the choil on the Military Model is.

Since I chimed in on this too:

Admittedly I haven't held a Millie 2, but I know both PM2 choil and Millie 1 choil well - and clearly prefer the latter, not "undersized" for my not small fingers, and Doc actually has stated several times that he has particularily thick fingers..

The good part about Spyderco now putting a full size choil on the Military 2 is that anyone who prefers the undersized choil can easily modify the knife to make the choil smaller again. It is exactly how you view a sharpening notch. It’s easier for the end line user to make the finger choil smaller than it is to make it larger. So the better choice is to just make it full size from the factory and let the end line user decide if they want to make it smaller or not.

[bdblue]

That's an amazing group. I have 2 that I don't see in there, how many total variations have there been?

[TkoK83Spy]

BRJ...if that's every Military, that's a priceless collection! Good on you, great model to select for that kind of dedication

[Doc Dan]

I like the Mil2, but not the choil. I hope when Spyderco does CQI one of the changes is to go back to the Mil1 choil.

I think the Millie 2 will be a better and stronger knife with the compression lock.

Have you held a Military 2 in hand yet? The full size choil feels much improved and really highlights how undersized the choil on the Military Model is.

I generally hate choils. The Millie 1 has the only choil I like.

[Wartstein]

Since I chimed in on this too:

Admittedly I haven't held a Millie 2, but I know both PM2 choil and Millie 1 choil well - and clearly prefer the latter, not "undersized" for my not small fingers, and Doc actually has stated several times that he has particularily thick fingers..

The good part about Spyderco now putting a full size choil on the Military 2 is that anyone who prefers the undersized choil can easily modify the knife to make the choil smaller again. It is exactly how you view a sharpening notch. It’s easier for the end line user to make the finger choil smaller than it is to make it larger. So the better choice is to just make it full size from the factory and let the end line user decide if they want to make it smaller or not.

I honestly don't unterstand what you mean by (it is easier) "to make a choil SMALLER" '- ?
How?

Also: It is not about the Millie 1 choil being "smaller" in length (the choils of Millie 1 and 2 might even be of the same length and the choil of the "1" could even have a slightly wider radius - though I don't know about both, would have to check at least in pics.

"Radius" is something people sometimes don't consider anyway when it comes to choils. The Stretch 1 for example has a rather short choil, but with a wide radius- actually great for thicker fingers).

What the Millie 1 choil offers, as far as I can see and definitely compared to a PM2 choil: An a bit taller handle (more "meat") and a flatter area under the forefinger when choking up. To me personally this feels better and offers more control in real use

I am sure though that statistically more people will prefer the more "standard" choil on the Millie 2, don't argue that!

[Mushroom]

Since I chimed in on this too:

Admittedly I haven't held a Millie 2, but I know both PM2 choil and Millie 1 choil well - and clearly prefer the latter, not "undersized" for my not small fingers, and Doc actually has stated several times that he has particularily thick fingers..

The good part about Spyderco now putting a full size choil on the Military 2 is that anyone who prefers the undersized choil can easily modify the knife to make the choil smaller again. It is exactly how you view a sharpening notch. It’s easier for the end line user to make the finger choil smaller than it is to make it larger. So the better choice is to just make it full size from the factory and let the end line user decide if they want to make it smaller or not.

I honestly don't unterstand what you mean by (it is easier) "to make a choil SMALLER" '- ?
How?

Reduce the length of the arc by modifying the scales. If someone has the know how and ability to add a sharpening notch to their blade, a scale modification like that is just as achievable.

Also, between the two models, the choils are not the same length but they do have the same radius. Except the Military 2 just has a full size choil now.

[Wartstein]

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I honestly don't unterstand what you mean by (it is easier) "to make a choil SMALLER" '- ?
How?

Reduce the length of the arc by modifying the scales. If someone has the know how and ability to add a sharpening notch to their blade, a scale modification like that is just as achievable.

Also, between the two models, the choils are not the same length but they do have the same radius. Except the Military 2 just has a full size choil now.

You have a point here if you are talking aftermaket scales

Otherwise:

- A choil very basically speaking is a cutout, so "removed material"

- Removing MORE material of course is easier than ADDING material = making a choil actually larger, longer, deeper... is easier than to make it "smaller" or shorter (one can it make LESS "deep" though of course by removing material on the scale side and technically also the blade side)
Much like with a sharpening choil, yes, but in the sense that it is also easier to put a notch in an edge than to remove it...
(if it makes sense to enlarge a choil diy is often debatable, but technically of course possible - in the blade AND in the handle - but "adding" material to handle or blade is pretty hard, unless one gets completely different scales...)

- Sure, one could work on the scales to create a smaller choil-radius: But this would still mean removing material and not really make the choil "smaller", but rather offer MORE space for the finger by tendency.

Just my 2c of course.

[Doc Dan]

I had to pull out my Millie 1 to play with since we've been talking about them.

[TkoK83Spy]

I had to pull out my Millie 1 to play with since we've been talking about them.

Same here, carried one of mine today just for that reason.

[Mushroom]

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I honestly don't unterstand what you mean by (it is easier) "to make a choil SMALLER" '- ?
How?

Reduce the length of the arc by modifying the scales. If someone has the know how and ability to add a sharpening notch to their blade, a scale modification like that is just as achievable.

Also, between the two models, the choils are not the same length but they do have the same radius. Except the Military 2 just has a full size choil now.

You have a point here if you are talking aftermaket scales

Otherwise:

- A choil very basically speaking is a cutout, so "removed material"

- Removing MORE material of course is easier than ADDING material = making a choil actually larger, longer, deeper... is easier than to make it "smaller" or shorter (one can it make LESS "deep" though of course by removing material on the scale side and technically also the blade side)
Much like with a sharpening choil, yes, but in the sense that it is also easier to put a notch in an edge than to remove it...
(if it makes sense to enlarge a choil diy is often debatable, but technically of course possible - in the blade AND in the handle - but "adding" material to handle or blade is pretty hard, unless one gets completely different scales...)

- Sure, one could work on the scales to create a smaller choil-radius: But this would still mean removing material and not really make the choil "smaller", but rather offer MORE space for the finger by tendency.

Just my 2c of course.

I’m not talking about aftermarket scales. Removing material from the stock scales does not require aftermarket scales.

Honestly, I can’t tell what the point you’re trying to make is. You’re so focused on the semantics that I’m confused by what you’re trying to say. It kind of feels like disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing.

[yablanowitz]

Well, I haven't held a Military2, and I doubt I ever will. Not much point, since I'm done with compression locks.

Nick, I am also confused by your statement that it is easier to make a choil smaller. One of us doesn't understand what a "choil" is. Not that I care either way.

[vivi]

It's interesting to me there's always more people lamenting the end of the Military 1 sprints than there are people posting Military 1 sprints in the daily carry thread. By a wide margin, too.

[Mushroom]

Well, I haven't held a Military2, and I doubt I ever will. Not much point, since I'm done with compression locks.

Nick, I am also confused by your statement that it is easier to make a choil smaller. One of us doesn't understand what a "choil" is. Not that I care either way.

Yeah I’m just stupid. What is a choil?