Anyone want to see Vanax in the salt series?
Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:24 pm
Its a great steel. Seems under appreciated. What do you guys think?
It's not underappreciated, its just it's growth was stunted by extreme cost per pound for the material. It is difficult to get that much nitrogen in steel. So a special and very expensive step is added to achieve the high amounts of nitrogen.alphaneuron9 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:24 pmIts a great steel. Seems under appreciated. What do you guys think?
I like the steel for close to the body carry without rusting.alphaneuron9 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:24 pmIts a great steel. Seems under appreciated. What do you guys think?
Deadboxhero wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 2:07 pm...Vanax is still a very nice material and will have more corrosion resistance then MagnaCut but it's peak hardness is also limited for the same reason it's more corrosion resistance; lots of Cr in solution.....
Deadboxhero wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 2:07 pmIn the meantime, if you happen to stumble upon a custom knife made by Chad Kelly in Vanax steel, Don't hesitate to buy it. Phenomenal.
Thank you Bemo. Tell me more about "software"... Im not sure I follow the lingo. And thank you for the warm welcome.Bemo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 10:40 pmAlphaneuron9, good to have you on the board, I tend to be more on the "software" end of things as opposed to the "hardware" end of things that you poke around in. Stick around, great place to hang. I don't expect to see a Vanax Spydie any time soon. I think Shawn has answered that one pretty definitely. I would love to see Larrin do a comparison on just the high corrosion resistant steels. I haven't researched Vanax much and really don't know what it would have to offer over LC200N.
Do you use alpha knife supply for the steel? I found it looking up prices for vanax. I did get a sense that the premium steels come in more expensive. But since Im new to the knife making side of things I may be missing all kinds of things, like the steel seemed to be sold in blanks for lack of a better word - rectangles that are already flat grounded. not by the pound. well, they don't have vanax in stock. I hope you saw my original response to your first message. Im just figuring out the whole quote system. BTW, I looked up Chad Kelly and Vanax on the web and found the collaboration fillet knife with Lance of "spyderco waterway/siren" fame. Exactly what Ive been looking for: a fillet knife in Vanax... you go fishing on a boat and fillet up the fish at the dock your knife stays wet until you get home. Rust is inevitable. Im pretty stoked... now where do I get one of those... lol.Deadboxhero wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 2:07 pmIt's not underappreciated, its just it's growth was stunted by extreme cost per pound for the material. It is difficult to get that much nitrogen in steel. So a special and very expensive step is added to achieve the high amounts of nitrogen.alphaneuron9 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:24 pmIts a great steel. Seems under appreciated. What do you guys think?
The problem for Vanax though is years later MagnaCut came out and shows superior toughness and hardness, finer carbonitirdes, lower cost and also provides extreme corrosion resistance. The way MagnaCut achieved this is through brilliant design and efficiency rather than just blasting the steel with nitrogen.
Vanax is still a very nice material and will have more corrosion resistance then MagnaCut but it's peak hardness is also limited for the same reason it's more corrosion resistance; lots of Cr in solution.
We'll see what Spyderco does.
In the meantime, if you happen to stumble upon a custom knife made by Chad Kelly in Vanax steel, Don't hesitate to buy it. Phenomenal.
Let's see a pic of that CKelly Vanax kitchen knife!RustyIron wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 12:08 amDeadboxhero wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 2:07 pmIn the meantime, if you happen to stumble upon a custom knife made by Chad Kelly in Vanax steel, Don't hesitate to buy it. Phenomenal.
This evening's dinner was prepared using a Chad Kelly Vanax knife. The knife is the most beautiful knife I've handled, and it is the best performing kitchen knife that I've ever used. Is the knife awesome because the blade is Vanax? Is the knife awesome because of Chad's artistry? This is a question best left to wiser men than me. But I can tell you, this knife is so good that I'm eager to buy something else in Vanax.
So I had to look up Nitrobe-77 at least in the rankings... where did you get it, is it still available?kirilpetkov wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:20 amI have used Vanax, but I prefer Nitrobe-77, a very good stainless steel that sharpens extremely easily and is very sharp. I sharpened this knife on a fixed sharpener a long time ago. The last abrasive I think was 1000 diamond and I then went through it on a strop. Yesterday I decided not to put it on a fixed rolling pin at all, just on a strop - 16 micron, 8 micron, 1 micron and finally with 0.125 micron. And that happened in the clip. That's the good thing about this Nitrobe 77 steel that it sharpens extremely easily and sharply.
https://youtu.be/skfSOeuA6bY?si=aq3JRW5DwY69yScd
I ordered the knife and took it directly from Des Horn.alphaneuron9 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 6:25 pmSo I had to look up Nitrobe-77 at least in the rankings... where did you get it, is it still available?kirilpetkov wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:20 amI have used Vanax, but I prefer Nitrobe-77, a very good stainless steel that sharpens extremely easily and is very sharp. I sharpened this knife on a fixed sharpener a long time ago. The last abrasive I think was 1000 diamond and I then went through it on a strop. Yesterday I decided not to put it on a fixed rolling pin at all, just on a strop - 16 micron, 8 micron, 1 micron and finally with 0.125 micron. And that happened in the clip. That's the good thing about this Nitrobe 77 steel that it sharpens extremely easily and sharply.
https://youtu.be/skfSOeuA6bY?si=aq3JRW5DwY69yScd
Here's a quote from Larrin's website:
"Ranking the Steels
To estimate corrosion resistance I used the following equations which were derived as described above, giving a “chromium equivalent” based on chromium, molybdenum, and tungsten in solution:
Acetic acid = Cr + 0.45(Mo + 0.5W)
Aqua-Regia = Cr + 0.79(Mo + 0.5W)
Pitting potential = Cr + 2.6(Mo+0.5W)"
so they are all calculated not measured (just to get all on the same page). And where pitting potential is calculated using a 1% Salt solution, I think that's what Im going to use as the best we have for predicting rust.
This list is pretty impressive. He seems to have done a lot of legwork to generate it. Pretty cool, L.T. (Just in case he reads this - you never know)
kirilpetkov, Nice! I further looked up Nitrobe 77 and found this very interesting post by Shawn BBB Houston from blade forum:kirilpetkov wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:20 amI have used Vanax, but I prefer Nitrobe-77, a very good stainless steel that sharpens extremely easily and is very sharp. I sharpened this knife on a fixed sharpener a long time ago. The last abrasive I think was 1000 diamond and I then went through it on a strop. Yesterday I decided not to put it on a fixed rolling pin at all, just on a strop - 16 micron, 8 micron, 1 micron and finally with 0.125 micron. And that happened in the clip. That's the good thing about this Nitrobe 77 steel that it sharpens extremely easily and sharply.
https://youtu.be/skfSOeuA6bY?si=aq3JRW5DwY69yScd
RustyIron wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:10 pm
I can do that. But I first and to go down to the kitchen and make some good light. I didn't bother polishing it up because this is a real kitchen knife. You're seeing the way she is in her native environment.
The handle is desert ironwood, titanium, and G10. The saya is maple, nickel, and copper. She's as beautiful to use as she is to look at.
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So beautiful. I love ironwood and the design is eye catching. Very very nice. Im glad I asked.
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