Striving For a Healthy Long Life

[Naperville]

The Tech Messiahs Who Want to Deliver Us from Death
They see death as a software error—and they have a plan for fixing it. But should they?

By Suzy Weiss
May 24, 2023

https://www.thefp.com/p/tech-gods-immor ... um=reader2

Wow, that article is wild.
To me, there's actually something very sad about such people...they become so obsessed with not dying that they forget to really live. Does that young man from Utah really look happy? He looks miserable, and who wouldn't be, obsessing over death constantly and refusing to accept his own mortality! He will die someday, as we all will - and it's hard to think of a worse regret than looking back on a wasted life, spent flailing uselessly in childish obstinance against something which countless millions have faced with dignity, grace, and calm.

The other folks in the article - the Collinses - treating their children like lab experiments is disturbing, to say the least.

None of this is directed at you Naperville, of course, and we should do all we can within reason to live a healthy life. But the stuff in this article is way out there and I wouldn't want anyone to get pulled into that futile, depressing obsession.

Glad that you read the article and commented!

People trying to live healthier lives (an increase healthspan) are mixed in with the people trying to live to 250 years. Some of the ideas on how to do this are the same.

I'm 63 so my life is almost over. Just trying to make the best of what is left.

Medicine and science have had some luck over the past 50 years in increasing healthspan, i.e. you still die at around the same age that you naturally would but those years would be very active and very healthy. Eventually lifespan will increase, and charts that I have seen show that over the last 500 years it has already dramatically increased.

Over the next 25 years I think breakthroughs are going to happen in medicine where living to 120 is likely. 25 years is a long time but I don't see it happening any earlier than that. They have a lot of biological systems to research. I thought that all of the human systems and how organs worked were well understood, but that is false!

I am on Twitter and I follow a number of longevity research labs, hospitals, scientists and doctors and the things the are working on seem like the least significant work, but understanding these biological systems and being able to control them as we age is where real breakthroughs will happen.

Artificial intelligence will make it happen.

[Naperville]

Zuzalu, a pop-up city in Montenegro has provided a temporary home for people who plan to set up a new jurisdiction to encourage biohacking and fast-track drugs that slow or reverse aging. https://zuzalu.city/


Longevity enthusiasts want to create their own independent state. They’re eyeing Rhode Island.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/0 ... engagement

[Naperville]

Glimpse of success? Life Biosciences' gene therapy restores visual function in primates with eye disorder
https://www.fiercebiotech.com/research/ ... ates-naion

Chemically induced reprogramming to reverse cellular aging
https://www.aging-us.com/article/204896/text

[Naperville]

Longevity research going mainstream.

USA Today story on current events. Good explanation of where the industry is currently.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics ... 318475007/

[Naperville]

I still take supplements. Just better ones. It takes a while to get a line on who makes what. I'll post some info in a week. Have to go to bed early tonight. Got a job in a warehouse 3 weeks ago and I can already feel the aerobic and muscles building.

I'm only working 16+ hrs and attack the job like it's a workout class. I'm 63 and I work harder than the 20 somethings. They complain that we are putting too many boxes on the conveyor...and it is hot like heck. Already down to almost 200lbs. Going to reduce what I am eating and keep dropping until I am around 170lbs.

[Naperville]

EDITED: Added more supplements below.


(05/01/2023)
SUPPLEMENTS
- Aspririn 81mg(once or twice per day)
- Centrum Silver(1 time/day)
- Zinc 50mg(1/1x/day)
- Super B-vitamin Complex(1/1x/day)
- Ginkgo Biloba 120mg(1/day)
- Hyaluronic Acid(1/2X/day)
- Spermidine(1/2x/day)
- Acetyl L Carnitine(2/2x/day)
- Alpha Lipoic Acid(1/2x/day)
- Ashwagandha(1/2x/day)
- Bacopa Monnieri 350mg(1/2x/day)
- Vit C 500mg(1/2x/day)
- Vit D3 50mg(1/2x/day)
- Vit K-2, MK-7 100mcg(1/2x/day)
- Fisetin (2/2x/day)
- N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC)(1/2x/day)
- Nattokinase Supplement(1/2x/day)
- Nicotinamide Riboside (NR)(2/2x/day)
- Qunol Tumeric 1000mg(1/2x/day)
- Ubiquinol CoQ10 100mg(1/2x/day)
- Berberine 500mg(1/3x/day)
- Green Tea Extract, EGCG(2/2x/day)
- Nature Made Cholest-Off Plus(2/3x/day)
- Metamucil Psyllium Husk (3 teaspoons/3x/day)
- Omega-3s 1065mg(2/2x/day)
- Odorless Garlic 3600mg(2/2x/day)
- Resveratrol 800mg, Quercetin 250mg, MCT 850mg (1/2x/day)


(12/01/2023)
SUPPLEMENTS
- Aspririn 81mg(1/2x/day)
- Centrum Silver(1/1x/day)
- Zinc 50mg(1/1x/day)
- Super B-vitamin Complex(1/1x/day)
- Life Extension Magnesium Caps - 500 MG(1/1x/day)
- Vit K-2, MK-7 100mcg(1/2x/day)
- Nattokinase Supplement(1/2x/day)
- Ubiquinol CoQ10 100mg(1/2x/day)
- Carlyle Sunflower Lecithin 2400mg (1/2x/day)
- Kyolic Aged Garlic Extract (1/2x/day)
- NOW Supplements, Pantethine (Coenzyme A Precursor) 600 mg, Double Strength, Cardiovascular Health, 60 Softgels (1/1x/day)
- Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omega 3's – 1280MG(2/1x/day)
- Ultra High Purity Hyaluronic Acid - 275mg Formula (1/2X/day)
- Ultra High Strength Berberine HCl 500mg (1/2x/day)
- Green Tea Extract, EGCG(2/2x/day)
- Nicotinamide Riboside (True Niagen NR)(2/2x/day)
- Nature Made Cholest-Off Plus(2/2x/day)
- Metamucil Psyllium Husk (3 tablespoons in 10oz water/1x to 2x/day)
- Acetyl L-Carnitine 1500mg(2/2x/day)
- NOW Foods Glycine 1000mg(3/2x/day)
- Antarctic Krill Oil 2000mg with Astaxanthin by Horbaach (2/1x/day)
- ONNIT Alpha Brain Premium Nootropic Supplement, Brain & Memory Support - Brain Booster Cat's Claw, Bacopa, Oat Straw (2/2x/day)
- DHEA 100mg by Horbaach (1/1x/day)
- Creatine Monohydrate Capsules, 3500mg (2/2x/day)

There are at least 5 more supplements that I am looking at adding.

[Naperville]

Why did I cut back? COST! This is easily $100+ per month and I'd rather buy a few knives here and there. I am concentrating on supplements with a lot more backing and research papers written regarding benefits.

[Naperville]

Why did I cut back? COST! This is easily $100+ per month and I'd rather buy a few knives here and there. I am concentrating on supplements with a lot more backing and research papers written regarding benefits.

So much for scaling back. After additional research, I added more supplements.

[James Y]

"I Gave Up Being Vegetarian After 2 Years"

Excellent video.

This gentleman is honest and open about it, without trying to proselytize about diet one way or the other. This is the most level-headed discussiin I've seen on this subject. There are many people who try to guilt others and preach about certain diets/lifestyles, which are a turnoff.

The fact is, not every diet/lifestyle is healthy for every individual. In my 20s, I had a friend who was a vegetarian by choice, but who always had health problems, especially with his joints.

And to those who are upset with people who eat meat and other animal products because they are living beings, remember that plants also have consciousness, more than most people suspect. Anything that you consume is going to have had some form of life and consciousness; judging one as superior to another is simply that; judgment.

I personally haven't eaten beef or pork since 1995 (out of choice), but I still eat some poultry, and very rarely, some seafood. Even though I eat more plant-based foods, I will never be a complete vegetarian or a vegan. But I will not judge others for their choices.



Jim

[Naperville]

Yes, I agree James! I subscribe to the Mediterranean Diet and it works very well. I don't live in fear of eating something and dying, it is more complex than that.

To say that I think about and work on my diet daily would be putting it mildly. I am fighting to stay alive. That is the reality. For my med diet, today I ordered approx $150 in EVOO olive oil with high polyphenols, and that will be consumed here in 6 weeks.

I have an RC coke maybe 1x per week, and it is probably too much. Other than that I do not drink pop. I have a MilkyWay candy bar 1x per month, and other than that I do not eat candy....I try not to anyway, and that is probably not good enough.

I eat fish(mostly salmon, sometimes yellowfin tuna) 3x per week, chicken 1x per month, and sometimes if I am a goof I even eat peperoni on my pizzas but I am trying to stop eating peperoni...and we have mostly stopped eating pizzas due to the carbs being turned into sugar in the bloodstream. Once every 4 months I eat lunchmeats(salami), steaks and hamburgers, they are really bad for me with the atherosclerosis that I have.

My open heart surgery was enough for me. What I have learned is that at birth we have almost perfect arteries, and then over the decades we clog and pack those arteries with plaque. High LDL and triglyceride counts have been shown to lead to heart disease.

Michael "Mike" Albert, MD @MichaelAlbertMD said "Cumulative exposure to LDLc directly describes risk. You hide behind the fact that atherosclerosis takes years to decades to develop so the harm you cause can be obfuscated by time."

YOU NEED HbA1c of 5 or lower
YOU NEED LDL-C of 50 to <60

LDL-C is a vascular toxin
If you have a history of atherosclerosis, your LDL should be below 45 mg/dL. But good luck getting it there or finding a doctor that will work with you to get it there!!! A statin alone will not get it there.

[Naperville]

WHAT PEOPLE HOPE ANTI-AGING IS
- a magic pill

WHAT ANTI-AGING REALLY IS
- eat less, eat well
- sleep well
- exercise more
- a number of magic pills


CARDIOVASCULAR - DIET (what I am pretty much on)

Mayo Clinic
Cholesterol: Top foods to improve your numbers
- Oatmeal, oat bran and high-fiber foods
- Fish and omega-3 fatty acids
- Almonds and Walnuts
- Avocados
- Olive oil
- Foods with added plant sterols or stanols
- Whey protein

[akapennypincher]

Maybe I am wrong but if your born with bad Genes your not holding good deck of cards for long life.

Jmho

[Naperville]

Maybe I am wrong but if your born with bad Genes your not holding good deck of cards for long life.

Jmho

It's tricky. I'll be 64 in less than 60 days and take it hour by hour, day by day. I do make plans, because you have to think about the possibilities of what would happen if you actually hit 70, 80, 90.... there are good things and bad things that can happen.

I think my genes are average, I could have done much worse. You always thank the Lord above that it wasn't you born suffering. I have some relatives that lived to 102 and others that died in their 50's. You just keep pushing on and hoping for the best.

[akapennypincher]

People on Okinawa Japan live long time, because of diet, no stress, simple life.

[Naperville]

People on Okinawa Japan live long time, because of diet, no stress, simple life.

I definitely live in the groove of Okinawa, Japan!

I watch my diet on each bite and drink that I take. I try to go sleep at the same hour every day, and even try to sleep the same number of hours. I believe lead a very simple life. I do not do anything. Ever.

Soon I'll be adding walks and light exercise to my daily routine. Trying to drop 30lbs!

[Ankerson]

Some are missing that actual life expectancy often changes due to various things like disease, plagues, wars, etc.

Even in modern times, (current) the range can have a 14 year difference in just social class due to various things like nutrition, access to proper medical care etc.

The over all age really hasn't changed much in the past what 300 years once you factor out infant mortality.

I can understand people wanting to live longer.. The discussion has been going on forever with myths of various types over the years.

Start factoring in quality of life and other causes of death like coronary artery disease, certain cancers, and Alzheimer's disease.

So what is the point of living to 100 when you don't know who you are or are bed ridden?

I wouldn't really dwell on it too much because none of us are getting out of this alive.

[The Mastiff]

I've had a couple doctors tell me we are genetically programmed to have a certain lifetime. One guy stated a certain number of heartbeats. He explained it as why animals with higher heartbeats and metabolism have shorter lives and he said it's the same with us. There are certainly other factors such as why some families seem to get cancer, some have earlier deaths from heart disease but we as a race or type of animals will never have lives much longer than we do now. We are built to wear out at a certain time . Taking care of yourself can mean having a better life but it really won't extend it much.

[Ankerson]

I've had a couple doctors tell me we are genetically programmed to have a certain lifetime. One guy stated a certain number of heartbeats. He explained it as why animals with higher heartbeats and metabolism have shorter lives and he said it's the same with us. There are certainly other factors such as why some families seem to get cancer, some have earlier deaths from heart disease but we as a race or type of animals will never have lives much longer than we do now. We are built to wear out at a certain time . Taking care of yourself can mean having a better life but it really won't extend it much.

Joe,

Yup, very true.

Maybe in the future if humans last long enough some sort of evolution may happen millions of years from now.

[Naperville]

I was an "athlete" for the first half of my life. In the first 35 to 40 years of life I competed in a number of sports(bicycle racing, ice hockey, martial arts, raced sailboats, golf, tennis, ...), ran/jogged, weight lifted, and worked in construction for 10+ years.

I cannot say my diet was ideal, but I give it a C+ to a B-.

I had a mild heart attack in 2017 wherein they discovered 3 problematic arteries that either needed to be stented or bypassed. I knew that I had a bad aortic valve because the US Marine Corps declined to take me in. So I had the operation to fix everything.

Lifespan is how long you live. Healthspan is how long you live well. I'm just trying to live as long as I can with a very good healthspan. It makes sense right. You would rather take care of yourself than not.

This thread is about making the right decisions about what to eat, drink, and participate in activities daily to push out that life and healthspan.

There is no way to cheat death, but why hasten it?

[Ankerson]

I was an "athlete" for the first half of my life. In the first 35 to 40 years of life I competed in a number of sports(bicycle racing, ice hockey, martial arts, raced sailboats, golf, tennis, ...), ran/jogged, weight lifted, and worked in construction for 10+ years.

I cannot say my diet was ideal, but I give it a C+ to a B-.

I had a mild heart attack in 2017 wherein they discovered 3 problematic arteries that either needed to be stented or bypassed. I knew that I had a bad aortic valve because the US Marine Corps declined to take me in. So I had the operation to fix everything.

Lifespan is how long you live. Healthspan is how long you live well. I'm just trying to live as long as I can with a very good healthspan. It makes sense right. You would rather take care of yourself than not.

This thread is about making the right decisions about what to eat, drink, and participate in activities daily to push out that life and healthspan.

There is no way to cheat death, but why hasten it?

There are several conditions that are hereditary as far as they can tell at this point in time anyway.

In the end it's more of do the best that we can with the time we have.

Life is short so try and enjoy it while we can.

So is it making your life better or is it making others life better at your expense?

It's long been said that they don't make any money on heathy people.

So they create some condition for everything so they can make more money on people.

That's not to say eat a cup of lard everyday.