Magnacut in Seki Salts

[Farmer]

Evening all. I'm in the market for a new PE knife for salt water fishing etc and the most likely candidate is a Salt 2 in LC200N. However I'm wondering whether this steel will be superceded by Magnacut on the Seki models any time soon (as has happened with the Native 5 Salt).

I've had a search on the forum but can't find any info, not even rumours! So I just wondered whether there have been any smoke signals from Spyderco HQ on this topic? Thanks in advance :)

[skeeg11]

Would rather see Golden Salts than have to pay for MagnaCut to be exported and then imported back to the states starting with a MagnaCut PE UKPK DP.

[JRinFL]

I think it is too early for Spyderco to make that decision. The US made Salts have not yet made it to market yet. Sal said they will use feed back and data gathered on the Native Salt in MC before moving forward.

[ladybug93]

yeah, the native salt hasn't even come yet and the manix should be coming before too long after that (i hope). it'll probably be a while before we see magnacut in seki models, especially since they already have h1 and lc200n and have even announced a replacement for h1 that isn't magnacut.

[skeeg11]

The Golden expansion should be ready some time next year. Golden currently has LC200N Salts in the Native 5 and the UKPK. The Native is slated to be first in Golden to switch over to MagnaCut. Hope they follow up with a switch to MagnaCut with the UKPK. Makes perfect sense to me. I would prefer the PE in Drop Point, tho.

[Scandi Grind]

Oh, now I would be interested to see Magna Cut on the Manix LW and Para 3 LW. I wonder how the cost compares to BD1-N.

[ladybug93]

Oh, now I would be interested to see Magna Cut on the Manix LW and Para 3 LW. I wonder how the cost compares to BD1-N.

no idea on cost, but eric mentioned there already exists a manix 2 lw salt in yellow frcp and magnacut, but he didn't show it at the time. i've just been over here waiting patiently for it to be announced. it will absolutely be mine.

[Manixguy@1994]

The Manix is my wait for knife . I will be a happy camper for this Manix variation . MG2

[Matus]

Oh, now I would be interested to see Magna Cut on the Manix LW and Para 3 LW. I wonder how the cost compares to BD1-N.

Unless a better estimates are available, I would naively think that the Magnacut models might come out with a price comparable to Spy-27. I may be wrong, but that is my gut feel.

[Toucan]

Oh, now I would be interested to see Magna Cut on the Manix LW and Para 3 LW. I wonder how the cost compares to BD1-N.

Unless a better estimates are available, I would naively think that the Magnacut models might come out with a price comparable to Spy-27. I may be wrong, but that is my gut feel.

I reckon/hope it'll be cheaper since magnacut isn't proprietary/exclusive to a single manufacturer. Mangnacut doesn't have any wild ingredients or steps in production. It also seems to be being widely adopted by the knife industry, albeit slowly. All this hopefully translates to cheap and plentiful magnacut one day.

[JRinFL]

Magnacut is supposed to be priced similar to other CPM steels according to Larrin. So somewhere in the S35vn-S45vn range? Spy-27 should be a bit higher due to the exclusive nature and smaller melts. BDN1 should be lower than all of them.

[sal]

We're still refining the heat treat on MagnaCut. It's sensitive to different heat treatment. We'd like to get it down before exporting the steel. Eventually, assuming the market likes it, we'll move the steel all over.

sal

[VooDooChild]

Awesome.
Pacific salt magnacut will probably be my most carried knife. If it happens.

[Farmer]

We're still refining the heat treat on MagnaCut. It's sensitive to different heat treatment. We'd like to get it down before exporting the steel. Eventually, assuming the market likes it, we'll move the steel all over.

sal

Thanks for the update Sal and really interesting to hear your comments about the sensitivity of the heat treat. I wonder what about the metallurgy of this particular steel makes it more sensitive than others might be?

I'm not someone who typically gets excited about new steels but for my typical usage (lots of exposure to water/salt) this should be a great performer. Hence I'm really looking forward to it making its way into more of the range. In the meantime I've just ordered a PE Salt 2 in LC200N and will intrigued to compare it against my Salt 1 PE.

[spydergoat]

This was informative. It's worth waiting for Spyderco to get something just right. Farmer, enjoy your salt 2. I am carrying mine today- great knife.

[fixall]

…Yet when I say MagnaCut can have a tendency to warp during heat treat, i’m labeled a heretic.

[sal]

It's not a matter of warping. And it's not sensitive as to problems. It's a matter of finding the best balance for corrosion resistance, edge holding and toughness.

sal

[p_atrick]

Heat treat can affect corrosion resistance? I need to spend more time at Knife Steel Nerds.

[fixall]

It's not a matter of warping. And it's not sensitive as to problems. It's a matter of finding the best balance for corrosion resistance, edge holding and toughness.

sal

Ah, copy that. My bad. I appreciate Spyderco spending so much time perfecting the heat treat (especially since it will be featured on at least one salt knife).

I’m really finding 63 - 64 to be MagnaCuts sweet spot. I’ve had it heat treated as high as 66hrc and as low as ~61hrc, following protocols laid out by Devin and Larrin. The ease of sharpening at all hardness levels was a really nice surprise. :)

[Ramonade]

I’m really finding 63 - 64 to be MagnaCuts sweet spot. I’ve had it heat treated as high as 66hrc and as low as ~61hrc, following protocols laid out by Devin and Larrin. The ease of sharpening at all hardness levels was a really nice surprise. :)

Well you can reach 63-64 with different protocols, so the hardness is not the only factor. Since the protocol has a good impact on the balance of properties, testing different protocols changes everything, including the aimed hardness.
It gets very complicated very fast !