Optimal inclusive angle for S110V
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Optimal inclusive angle for S110V
What would be an optimal inclusive angle for sharpening S110V to both take advantage of its excellent edge retention properties whilst also reducing chances for chipping the blade given its relatively low toughness? Does a 40 degree edge reduce chances of chipping versus a 30 degree? Thanks in advance!
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I can't give you a firm answer to your question but I reprofiled my S110V knives to 15° per side and never had any problems. I cut a lot of cardboard that way along with wood, poly banding, etc
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I definitely plan to do some whittling with it. Nothing intensive, just idle whittling.
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Side pressure is to avoid with s110v like with Maxamet. But if you cut putting pressure on a 90° angle with the apex, no prob laying the angle down.
I sharpen it at 15, 30° inclusive
I sharpen it at 15, 30° inclusive
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I’m comfortable taking S110V to 15dps. I could get away with a little lower angle for my uses but the edge retention it would gain by a lower angle is not worth the reduction in toughness, given its a high wear resistant steel to begin with.
It’s really going to depend on what you do with it. I’ve seen a Cruwear para 3 chip with a factory edge, for example, but I have a cw Manix I’ve taken below 12dps with no issues. The thinner you go, the more careful you’ll need to be.
It’s really going to depend on what you do with it. I’ve seen a Cruwear para 3 chip with a factory edge, for example, but I have a cw Manix I’ve taken below 12dps with no issues. The thinner you go, the more careful you’ll need to be.
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It can handle 30 inclusive from my experience. I haven’t gone lower with S110V.
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30 deg incl is safe in my experience.
This Manix has a convex a few deg less than that, but with a 30 deg incl micro bevel. I was conscious from the onset that I may be pushing the limit of what the steel can handle ever so slightly, but it has proven over time to be robust enough as a slicer, but I am careful with it. Nowadays it is my high edge retention toolbox knife.
This Manix has a convex a few deg less than that, but with a 30 deg incl micro bevel. I was conscious from the onset that I may be pushing the limit of what the steel can handle ever so slightly, but it has proven over time to be robust enough as a slicer, but I am careful with it. Nowadays it is my high edge retention toolbox knife.
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For those running a 30 inclusive, would you worry about whittling sticks or no worries there? That’s likely to be the hardest use it will see.
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I would bring down the factory angle a little, maybe to 18dps 36 inclusive, and try it out. Once you start to get some chipping, you’ll know you’ve gone too low.
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How much control do you have over the angle you want? To truly optimize the angle you’ll have to experiment and go lower a little at a time and see if the edge is damaged. I lower mine 3 to 5 degrees at a time and use it for a couple weeks and repeat until I either get tired of sharpening or I find the angle I want. I got S110V down to 12 degrees per side with a 15 degree microbevel on the Sharpmaker.
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Not to be all "#me too" here, but I also have been running my S110V Manix at 15 dps (no micro bevel) for house contracting work. Yes, lots of wood carving and anything else that comes up. No visible chippies yet. It did need a resharpening after 8 weeks of contractor work. Also, I did lose the very tip (a fraction of a mm, almost not visible by eye...can you see it below?) due to accidentally running the tip into concrete, but...that's to be expected and the blunting sharpened out easily.
Have really enjoyed how sharp the S110V stayed for 2 months of work. During this time I probably went through a dozen blades in my ute knives. Was expecting S110V to be more delicate than it is, but having used it awhile, I treat it like any other steel at this point, I don't baby it like I used to. (Granted, I don't run it into nails, either! That's what the Hackzall is for...!)
Also really appreciated the light weight and flat profile in my pocket. I can carry a much larger knife without discomfort or even awareness, when it's FRCP or FRN handled. I usually carry a Caly 3 but the FRCP Manix 2 didn't "feel" much larger due to its low weight.
Have really enjoyed how sharp the S110V stayed for 2 months of work. During this time I probably went through a dozen blades in my ute knives. Was expecting S110V to be more delicate than it is, but having used it awhile, I treat it like any other steel at this point, I don't baby it like I used to. (Granted, I don't run it into nails, either! That's what the Hackzall is for...!)
Also really appreciated the light weight and flat profile in my pocket. I can carry a much larger knife without discomfort or even awareness, when it's FRCP or FRN handled. I usually carry a Caly 3 but the FRCP Manix 2 didn't "feel" much larger due to its low weight.
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Another me too: 15 degrees per side. Keeps a keen edge for a long time. Never had it chip. Use it mostly for saltwater fishing.
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We should start a group ! Alone I am 15, but together we are 30.
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I have a KME but for the sake of ease I will mostly us my Spyderco system with 30 or 40me2 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:24 amHow much control do you have over the angle you want? To truly optimize the angle you’ll have to experiment and go lower a little at a time and see if the edge is damaged. I lower mine 3 to 5 degrees at a time and use it for a couple weeks and repeat until I either get tired of sharpening or I find the angle I want. I got S110V down to 12 degrees per side with a 15 degree microbevel on the Sharpmaker.
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How low can you go angle wise with the KME system?
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I think it’s 17 dps
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You can go quite a bit lower than 17 on most knives if you flip the bracket that holds the guide bushing the rod slides in, upside down.
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This guy goes from wondering what knives are "flickie" last week to wondering what angle to grind S110V at, of all steels. That's a wild turn.
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1 - Bradford Guardian 3 / Vanadis 4E Wharnie
1 - Monterey Bay Knives Slayback Flipper / ZDP 189
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I have plenty of knife experience, just none whatsoever with Spyderco. I like flickie knives and I like good steels, but Spyderco offers such a wide array that I’ve never used before. I’ve come here in ignorance of Spyderco knives both in terms of mechanical function and in terms of certain steels. That’s why I am asking lots of questions. To learn. I presume this is an acceptable use of this forum?
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Just saying it's quite a difference. Most around here don't care or talk much about flickie stuff because it's not really what the knife is for...and then going into sharpening/reprofiling something like S110V is the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Like going from novice to expert in a video game difficulty level. That's all.Soanso McMasters wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:06 pmI have plenty of knife experience, just none whatsoever with Spyderco. I like flickie knives and I like good steels, but Spyderco offers such a wide array that I’ve never used before. I’ve come here in ignorance of Spyderco knives both in terms of mechanical function and in terms of certain steels. That’s why I am asking lots of questions. To learn. I presume this is an acceptable use of this forum?
15 's in 10 different steels
1 - Bradford Guardian 3 / Vanadis 4E Wharnie
1 - Monterey Bay Knives Slayback Flipper / ZDP 189
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31/Macassar Ebony Inlays
1 - CRK Large Inkosi Insingo/ Black Micarta Inlays
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31 Insingo/Magnacut
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1 - Bradford Guardian 3 / Vanadis 4E Wharnie
1 - Monterey Bay Knives Slayback Flipper / ZDP 189
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31/Macassar Ebony Inlays
1 - CRK Large Inkosi Insingo/ Black Micarta Inlays
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31 Insingo/Magnacut
-Rick