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Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:39 pm
by sal
Hi Yab,
The new design is a double Compression lock.
sal
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:43 pm
by archangel
sal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:39 pm
Hi Yab,
The new design is a double Compression lock.
sal
:eek: How cool is this??!!
I assume it's going to use a common steel, one I already own. Might put me into a position where I break my golden rule...
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:44 pm
by knivesandbooks
sal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:39 pm
Hi Yab,
The new design is a double Compression lock.
sal
That is so cool, Sal.
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:33 pm
by Sumdumguy
sal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:39 pm
Hi Yab,
The new design is a double Compression lock.
sal
Oh my, this is the best news I could have hoped for! If you say LC200N I don't know what I'll do!
Thank you!
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:36 pm
by archangel
Sumdumguy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:33 pm
sal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:39 pm
Hi Yab,
The new design is a double Compression lock.
sal
If you say LC200N I don't know what I'll do!
I know. If it's LC200N I'm in.
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:46 pm
by Sumdumguy
archangel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:36 pm
Sumdumguy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:33 pm
sal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:39 pm
Hi Yab,
The new design is a double Compression lock.
sal
If you say LC200N I don't know what I'll do!
I know. If it's LC200N I'm in.
If it has LC200N it will match my post from a thread long ago... which would make me a WIZARD! lol
I'll buy it no matter the steel though.
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:55 pm
by elena86
One advice from me ... make it light... make it FRN
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:57 pm
by archangel
elena86 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:55 pm
One advice from me ... make it light... make it FRN
Noooooooo..... Give it nice titanium or CF scales.
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:27 pm
by Sumdumguy
archangel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:57 pm
elena86 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:55 pm
One advice from me ... make it light... make it FRN
Noooooooo..... Give it nice titanium or CF scales.
I'll be happy with G10. It is more of a working tool after all.
Although a compression frame lock in titanium would be cool!
I prefer strength over light. If you want light, get a Dyad Jr.
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:32 pm
by archangel
Sumdumguy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:27 pm
archangel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:57 pm
elena86 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:55 pm
One advice from me ... make it light... make it FRN
Noooooooo..... Give it nice titanium or CF scales.
I'll be happy with G10. It is more of a working tool after all.
Although a compression frame lock in titanium would be cool!
I prefer strength over light. If you want light, get a Dyad Jr.
G10 - still fine by me. :) Just please no lw... Go get a Dyad Jr. if you must have it light.
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:33 pm
by sal
Hi Archangel,
New steel. Cow dung with Nitrogen added. We call it "DungijiN"/ Just kidding
I could do LC.
FRN tooling is expensive and we like to kwow if there will be demand. Now G-10 slab or machined scales are so expensive that how to make a model and what to make it out of requires much thought.
sal
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:36 pm
by archangel
FRN tooling is expensive, and G10 is expensive. So now are they both out of the race?
LC200N yessss....
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:50 pm
by Sumdumguy
Wait! I want to hear more about this "DungijiN"!
:P
So what's more expensive Ti or G10? I'll take either and have cleared out a spot in my pocket for either. :)
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:46 pm
by The Meat man
This is sounding good Sal. I'll be looking forward to seeing this if the project continues!
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:08 pm
by sal
It's been ongoing for quite a while. We've already made about half dozen prototypes over the past 5 or 6 years. The original model was a double Reeve Integral lock and was to be H1. We couldn't machine the ramps well because of the work hardening nature of H1. Then we made one in VG-10. Like the first one, it had stainless Integral locks. No scales, just steel. After it was all said and done, it was gonna retail for about $350+ and we felt there was no path to success. Then we picked it up again about 2 years ago and made some design changes which required a bunch of R&D ( we think it's a patentable idea ) and now we're on our 3rd proto made in Golden.
sal
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:21 pm
by sal
archangel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:36 pm
FRN tooling is expensive, and G10 is expensive. So now are they both out of the race?
LC200N yessss....
FRN Tooling is expensive, but once we know there is demand, but the per part cost is much less. The last proto is G-10 with nested liners/locks. Now that I think I've got the basic design nailed down, I've got to figure out where to make it and what materials to use. Price is a big issue, as you may have seen some of the recent threads on our pricing. I still have to make another proto with 2 changes.
If we can't get it viable price-wise, then it goes into the "What might have been" box.
The Shaman ended up costing much more to make than anticipated and it was still difficult, so we're back to planning.
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:24 pm
by 500Nitro
Those two posts sure show how long a timeframe it takes to get to market and costs involved.
I’ve looked at getting molds made for FRN type material, certainly not cheap.
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:26 pm
by The Meat man
sal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:08 pm
It's been ongoing for quite a while. We've already made about half dozen prototypes over the past 5 or 6 years. The original model was a double Reeve Integral lock and was to be H1. We couldn't machine the ramps well because of the work hardening nature of H1. Then we made one in VG-10. Like the first one, it had stainless Integral locks. No scales, just steel. After it was all said and done, it was gonna retail for about $350+ and we felt there was no path to success. Then we picked it up again about 2 years ago and made some design changes which required a bunch of R&D ( we think it's a patentable idea ) and now we're on our 3rd proto made in Golden.
sal
Excellent!
I'll put in my vote for LC200N steel, but even VG-10 would be hard to refuse.
If this turns out to be a full Salt model I'll definitely buy it.
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:30 pm
by sal
500Nitro wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:24 pm
Those two posts sure show how long a timeframe it takes to get to market and costs involved.
That's why it's so much more profitable to just copy a design once it's perfected. "It is a wise man that copies a successful man so that he too can be successful".
sal
Re: Dyad II or New Concept Double Blade Folder?
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:40 pm
by yablanowitz
sal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:39 pm
Hi Yab,
The new design is a double Compression lock.
sal
Thank you. That saves me some money.
Pass.