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The Shibui knife
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:44 am
by spyderwolf
Shibui is a japanese concept which defines an enriched, subdued appearance of intrinsically fine quality with economy of form, line, and effort, producing a timeless tranquility.
The seven elements of shibui are simplicity, implicity, modesty, naturalness, everydayness, imperfection, and silence.The colors is gray.
I found all of those atributes are reunite in the Polestar.At first glance it's a humble liner lock with a leaf shape blade,and G10 scales.But over time you will discover the subtle texture are beautiful color of the scales,the small mini choil of the handle,the sharp jimping on the hump of the blade and it's sharp edge.
It's a confident knife,who doesn't pretend to be more than it is,because he knows he is all you will ever realy need,and that it's beauty exudes from it's thoughness.
It's a knife of acerbic good taste,to quote James A. Michener,and it's place should be in the Spyderco hall of fame.
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:52 am
by SF Native
Cool. Nice post. This is how I feel about the sage 2.
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:42 am
by SpyderEdgeForever
Wonderfully-put. You have convinced me to want to get a Pole Star.
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:19 am
by spyderwolf
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:42 am
Wonderfully-put. You have convinced me to want to get a Pole Star.
Thanks.Go for it,you will love it.
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:32 am
by sal
Hey Wolf,
Thanx for the analogy.
I spent a great deal of time and thought on the Polestar for a long period of time. I believe it is one of my better designs. I carry one quite a bit and frankly I've been disappointed in the reaction from the market. Maybe just too subdued? I've been working on a mid lock-back variation.
We might, with your permission, "steal" your concept for an ad?
sal
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:17 am
by captnvegtble
sal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:32 am
Hey Wolf,
Thanx for the analogy.
I spent a great deal of time and thought on the Polestar for a long period of time. I believe it is one of my better designs. I carry one quite a bit and frankly I've been disappointed in the reaction from the market. Maybe just too subdued? I've been working on a mid lock-back variation.
We might, with your permission, "steal" your concept for an ad?
sal
Hi Sal,
Thanks for your great designs. I don't own a polestar, but the simplicity and ergonomics are right up my alley, and I do really like the look and simplicity in the knife. I think a lock-back variation would probably be better received by many (including myself). Having it produced in China doesn't bother me (it might turn some off), but BD1 isn't my favorite steel... not sure about other steel options for production in China... doesn't have to be a "super steel". In some ways I might even prefer 8Cr13MoV (cheaper? without the shipping costs moving the steel from US to China), and it has the same amount of carbon, but with less chromium and a little vanadium thrown in.
My big question for you, however, is what you perceive the key differences being between the Tenacious (which I love), and the Polestar. They look very similar in size, blade shape, and potentially ergonomics. I think if you can differentiate it from some of the other budget line knives, it may get more of a following.
Thanks for taking the time to read/listen.
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:52 am
by MichaelScott
captnvegtble wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:17 am
sal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:32 am
Hey Wolf,
Thanx for the analogy.
I spent a great deal of time and thought on the Polestar for a long period of time. I believe it is one of my better designs. I carry one quite a bit and frankly I've been disappointed in the reaction from the market. Maybe just too subdued? I've been working on a mid lock-back variation.
We might, with your permission, "steal" your concept for an ad?
sal
Hi Sal,
Thanks for your great designs. I don't own a polestar, but the simplicity and ergonomics are right up my alley, and I do really like the look and simplicity in the knife. I think a lock-back variation would probably be better received by many (including myself). Having it produced in China doesn't bother me (it might turn some off), but BD1 isn't my favorite steel... not sure about other steel options for production in China... doesn't have to be a "super steel". In some ways I might even prefer 8Cr13MoV (cheaper? without the shipping costs moving the steel from US to China), and it has the same amount of carbon, but with less chromium and a little vanadium thrown in.
My big question for you, however, is what you perceive the key differences being between the Tenacious (which I love), and the Polestar. They look very similar in size, blade shape, and potentially ergonomics. I think if you can differentiate it from some of the other budget line knives, it may get more of a following.
Thanks for taking the time to read/listen.
Capt.,
I think the steel is a fine choice. I agree that a back
lock would be a good feature and further distinguish the Polestar from the Tenacious, etc. I like the ergonomics of the handle a lot and I actually prefer the blade shape over the Para Military 2. With the addition of a back lock and retention of BD1, I would replace my Para Military 2 with a Polestar.
Here are a few points you might consider:
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:35 pm
by BornIn1500
captnvegtble wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:17 am
My big question for you, however, is what you perceive the key differences being between the Tenacious (which I love), and the Polestar. They look very similar in size, blade shape, and potentially ergonomics. I think if you can differentiate it from some of the other budget line knives, it may get more of a following.
The steel is 100% the key difference. The other differences are minor and I wouldn't call them "key". It seems to be for people who want the budget build of China but without sacrificing good US blade quality. Other than that, it's slightly lighter at 3.9 oz compared to the Tenacious at 4.1 oz. One thing I don't see mentioned much is that the liners on the Polestar seem thinner than the Tenacious, which of course means the lock is thinner. That may be why it is lighter.
This is a great video comparing them
https://youtu.be/Rif2z_-L0Vs
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:21 pm
by spyderwolf
sal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:32 am
Hey Wolf,
Thanx for the analogy.
I spent a great deal of time and thought on the Polestar for a long period of time. I believe it is one of my better designs. I carry one quite a bit and frankly I've been disappointed in the reaction from the market. Maybe just too subdued? I've been working on a mid lock-back variation.
We might, with your permission, "steal" your concept for an ad?
sal
Of course,Sal,i would be honored.
I cant believe it didnt do better on the market.I think the Polestar is a master piece and it's place is in the Spyderco hall of fame,right along side the Military or the Delica.
I also believe a back lock will sell better,but i love the liner lock.
I hope you will not discontinue the Polestar,but just to be on the safe side,i will buy another (i have safe queens for all my users-D4,E4,Streat Beat and Bowie).
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:30 pm
by spyderwolf
BornIn1500 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:35 pm
captnvegtble wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:17 am
My big question for you, however, is what you perceive the key differences being between the Tenacious (which I love), and the Polestar. They look very similar in size, blade shape, and potentially ergonomics. I think if you can differentiate it from some of the other budget line knives, it may get more of a following.
The steel is 100% the key difference. The other differences are minor and I wouldn't call them "key". It seems to be for people who want the budget build of China but without sacrificing good US blade quality. Other than that, it's slightly lighter at 3.9 oz compared to the Tenacious at 4.1 oz. One thing I don't see mentioned much is that the liners on the Polestar seem thinner than the Tenacious, which of course means the lock is thinner. That may be why it is lighter.
The Tenacious and Polestar are worlds apart.Yeah,they have many things in common,but the details are everything.I had 2 Tenacious,and i liked them,but never loved them.With the Polestar it was love at first sight,and got only stronger with time.
This is a great video comparing them
https://youtu.be/Rif2z_-L0Vs
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:31 pm
by spyderwolf
spyderwolf wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:30 pm
BornIn1500 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:35 pm
captnvegtble wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:17 am
My big question for you, however, is what you perceive the key differences being between the Tenacious (which I love), and the Polestar. They look very similar in size, blade shape, and potentially ergonomics. I think if you can differentiate it from some of the other budget line knives, it may get more of a following.
The steel is 100% the key difference. The other differences are minor and I wouldn't call them "key". It seems to be for people who want the budget build of China but without sacrificing good US blade quality. Other than that, it's slightly lighter at 3.9 oz compared to the Tenacious at 4.1 oz. One thing I don't see mentioned much is that the liners on the Polestar seem thinner than the Tenacious, which of course means the lock is thinner. That may be why it is lighter.
This is a great video comparing them
https://youtu.be/Rif2z_-L0Vs
The Tenacious and Polestar are worlds apart.Yeah,they have many things in common,but the details are everything.I had 2 Tenacious,and i liked them,but never loved them.With the Polestar it was love at first sight,and got only stronger with time.
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:01 pm
by sal
Nice review. Thanx to the reviewer and the poster.
When Eric and I designed the Tenacious, we were looking at a particular market. We worked on the design for more than a year, changed the lock 3 times and the general shape more than a dozen times, 1/2 mm to 1 mm at a time. It has been a good combination of the features we both wanted and has been well received. More so than the Polestar.
The Polestar was designed also for a particular market, but it was different than the Tenacious. I also worked on the 2 (Polestar and Alcyone) for more than a year, again modifying details a very small amount at a time.
While there are similarities between the two, they differ considerably in the details.
sal
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:57 pm
by Bodog
BornIn1500 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:35 pm
captnvegtble wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:17 am
This is a great video comparing them
https://youtu.be/Rif2z_-L0Vs
Am i the only one who found this guy's sense of humor freaking hilarious?
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:52 pm
by BornIn1500
Bodog wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:57 pm
Am i the only one who found this guy's sense of humor freaking hilarious?
If you haven't seen the other knife reviews on his channel, you're missing out. His humor is awesome. I think he's the best reviewer on YouTube. And no, I'm not him and have no affiliation with him.
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:00 am
by Mom3ntuM
This thread inspired me to let my workbeater tenacious have some time off.
Good timing as im running out of usable blade On it.
I used to use both at work, but at some point i Just forgot that i had the polestar.
Now it is back in the workpants where it belongs.
Longtime lurker
First time poster :)
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:05 am
by SpyderScout
Welcome.
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:05 am
by The Meat man
Welcome to the forum Mom3ntuM.
I like the look of that well-used blade.
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:09 am
by Mom3ntuM
Thanks guys :)
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:28 am
by sal
Hi Mom3ntuM,
Welcome to our forum. Hope you enjoy your tie here. Thanx for sharing.
sal
Re: The Shibui knife
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:41 am
by Mom3ntuM
Thank you Sal,
I have and i Will
