Sal, what are the chances for a AEB-L spydie ?

[Mushroom]

It’s interesting to see an AEB-L Mule team potentially be made after the steel has already been used in a folder. There was an AEB-L Urban Sprint Run in the past.

[Vaugith]

I think heat treat is important on this one - I had some that supposedly had a small batch custom ht with cryo at 62 HRC from someone who had many positive reviews and found it to be chippy, which is not at all what I expect from something with it's toughness numbers from Larrin. Was pretty dissapointed considering a number of people I respect told me how great it is.

[JRinFL]

Just make sure to use Shawn’s HT protocol.

Hey Shawn,

Do you have some secret heat treat that gets it there? Or should we just ask them to find it?

sal

Sal,

I'll send you an email.

I'd really like folks to see what those steel can do, it's quite enjoyable.

-shawn

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[Fireman]

AEBL please

[RevMike]

I'd love to see the AEB-L Mule. I really enjoy the Urban Sprint. Both to use and sharpen. My only real complaint was that it was only in a small blade and that was also a slip joint. I think for those reasons I didn't really feel that I'd put it through its paces... which is exactly where the Mule would come in.

[Enactive]

A high hardness AEB-L (or if they could be made as hard- Sandvik 12C27, 13C26 or 14C28n) would be cool. Another HT collab with Shawn/ BBB?

A G10 Manix 2 or Native 5 would be great.

ETA: a SpydieChef would be cool too, even if it would take much longer in the Taichung production queue.

[sal]

We consulted with Shawn on a good heat treat for AEB-L before we began with the steel. the AEB-L Urban had Shawn's heat treat.

sal

[Enactive]

We consulted with Shawn on a good heat treat for AEB-L before we began with the steel. the AEB-L Urban had Shawn's heat treat.

sal

Thanks, Sal. I missed that previously.

[Deadboxhero]

We consulted with Shawn on a good heat treat for AEB-L before we began with the steel. the AEB-L Urban had Shawn's heat treat.

sal

Interesting, I didn't get a chance to try one of those, I remember talking in an email.

If there is a future AEB-L knife run I think it would be nice to select a specific heat/batch of AEB-L with a better balance of carbon and chromium chemistry to maximize the hardness.

There is always a variation batch to batch with all steels, anytime you look at a steel chemistry those are nominal values not the actual chemistry of that specific batch.

AEB-L can be sensitive to the carbon chromium balance for maximizing carbon in solution for increasing the hardness without adding more chromium along with it which can reduce that peak hardness.

So, if we can look at the different batches we can cherry pick one that can be optimal for increasing the hardness even with the same heat treatment.
In my experience some batches may be limited in hardness than others for the reasons I explained above.

That doesn't mean if it's 61-62rc its bad but it would be very exciting to go harder without detriment to take advantage of the high edge stability and increase the resistance to deformation so we can push the edge geometry thinner with a microstructure that can support it.

Make Roman Landes and Dr Verhoeven proud.

[Wandering_About]

I don't mind a little AEB-L once in a while. Makes for a nice woods blade. Usually prefer higher wear resistance steels, but with a decent heat treatment AEB-L can be quite nice. Not sure I'd be jumping all over it on a folder, but I think it would work well for folks who are OK with the "quick daily touch up" routine. It's become quite popular over on a bushcraft forum that I'm also active on, and I think for good reason... it's a nice steel that is easy to sharpen, tough, and has good stain resistance. I think it gives an excellent option for folks that don't want to deal with the corrosion issues with other popular "bushcraft blade" steels like O1 or 1095.

The geometry on this fixed blade isn't the most thin/slicey, but it does make for a nice blade for bumming around the outdoors. 3 inch blade on this one, a handy size for me, and .130" blade stock. Made by Scott Gossman. It's become one of my favorite small but tough woods/fishing/hiking fixed blades.

[Doc Dan]

I only have some pocket knives (one is a Spyderco) in AEB-L and 13C26. I have some fixed blades in 14C28N. These are serious steels for toughness. They hold an edge okay, but being able to do things that would ruin another knife is a great selling point for me. The Millie needs 14C28N or 13C26 as a close second choice. I wouldn't buy a Mule, but only because I already have fixed blades in the steel. Of course, if Spyderco did some magic with the heat treat that really brought out the best properties in the steels I might be tempted.

Just because I am contrary, I'd like to see an Endura in one of these steels.

[sal]

Hi Shawn,

We had a hard time just getting AEB-L. We're not close enough to the manufacturer to select runs. Not like working with Crucible or Carpenter. We got it through one of our vendors.

sal

[Steeltoez83]

My urban was Rockwell tested at 58.3. Id love to see some much needed redemption for this steel.

[Deadboxhero]

Hi Shawn,

We had a hard time just getting AEB-L. We're not close enough to the manufacturer to select runs. Not like working with Crucible or Carpenter. We got it through one of our vendors.

sal

Thanks Sal
I'll email you,

If another AEB-L run is done, I would like more involvement if possible.

Thank you,

Shawn.

[sal]

Hi Shawn,

I believe the Mules are already done. If reaction is good and our customers (ELU) want more AEB-L, I'll get you involved.

sal

[Deadboxhero]

Hi Shawn,

I believe the Mules are already done. If reaction is good and our customers (ELU) want more AEB-L, I'll get you involved.

sal

Very exciting, I'll have to try to get a AEB-L mule.

Thanks Sal, no other company does this kind of stuff.

We are all really grateful for the extreme patience and extra work Spyderco puts in.

All for the love of steel and edges.

[WilliamMunny]

Hi Shawn,

I believe the Mules are already done. If reaction is good and our customers (ELU) want more AEB-L, I'll get you involved.

sal

Very exciting, I'll have to try to get a AEB-L mule.

Thanks Sal, no other company does this kind of stuff.

We are all really grateful for the extreme patience and extra work Spyderco puts in.

All for the love of steel and edges.

I will strongly second this.

[Doc Dan]

I have a question. What AEB-L instead of Sandvic 13C26? I don't know much, but I thought that Sandvic steels were cleaner and performed better.

[sal]

Hi Doc,

I've had a lot of difficulty trying to get Sandvik steels. The last time we spoke with them on a conference call, they said that they couldn't fill my orders for samples because they didn't make anything in the carbon content I wanted in thick enough material. I ordered a thousand lbs of 19C almost a year ago and I'm still waiting? I'll check on them and see how that's going.

sal

[p_atrick]

Sal, is a thousand pounds considered to be a big order for Spyderco?