Evidently knives and CD/DVDs are not the only thing being copied in China. Check out the link below on counterfeit automobiles. If they do cars, is their any wonder about copying knife designs?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4131724/
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OT, Counterfeits
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I ran across an exact copy of the Emerson Kerambit for $8.00 the other day. It was an exact copy down to the blade shape and hole. It didn't stay around long since it was gone from the next mailed catalog. I'm sure the damage was done with thousands of these knives making it into the gun show/swap meet circuit. Emerson could not have been pleased.
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Check knifezilla.com, they have there the Emerson Karambit clone, as well as other "goodies" <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> For instance an SS Navigator.
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I checked out the Knifezilla site. The question is, who don't they rip off? They even use the original name of the copied knife in many cases. They had Spyderco Navigator copies. Sebenza copies, Klotzi copies, even CKRT copies. I like the way they called the Sebenza copy the Zulu folder. I noticed that everything seemed to be 420 steel "hardened to 57 hardness". Riiiiight. I realize that there is not a lot that you can do to stop people that copy ideas. You can easily spend more money on defending your idea than you make in profit. I suppose that is why a number of companies drop models once they are copied. Sad situation.
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Slightly OT as I really can't tell if this is a counterfeit as it looks like nothing I have ever seen before.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... gory=20271
Eugh! Famous designer?
Why is there a gut-hook on a "combat folder"?
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Edited by - chux on 2/3/2004 8:16:28 PM
Edited by - chux on 2/3/2004 8:17:42 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... gory=20271
Eugh! Famous designer?
Why is there a gut-hook on a "combat folder"?
"Better gear than good sense a traveller cannot carry."
Edited by - chux on 2/3/2004 8:16:28 PM
Edited by - chux on 2/3/2004 8:17:42 PM
Andrew, I am not anti-China. The reality is that many countries do not have the same type of copyright protection that the U.S. has. This copying happens in the U.S. as well as China. I pointed this article out because of the long problems that U.S. knife companies have had taking the time to research and prototype a knife, and then have it copied overnight, produced, and sold. The problem is two-fold. Someone does the copying, and someone in this country has to sell it.
Spyderco used to have an advertisement where they listed the knife companies and individuals that were honoring the patent on the Spyderco hole. I think that it would be nice if there was consideration given to those companies that do the hard work and come up with designs, and then lose them. Often the guilty party is U.S. based. Companies like Buck, Benchmade, Spyderco, Gerber produce knives in the U.S. as well as overseas. Other unnamed big-name U.S. companies purchase and produce knives that are direct copies of their original designs. The real problem is not that factories exist that can copy and produce knives very cheaply, but rather that importers and distributers can openly sell these copies in the same country where they were designed. Sal has said many times that when a knife is copied, sales of the original go down. Is that fair? No.
So who loses out? Ultimately the collector does. The knives we want cost more because the production runs have to be shorter and design development costs have to be repaid sooner. The copies that are inevitable drive the price of knives up.
When I talk to management of the different cutlery companies I get the same description of how tough the market is. These folks are not raking the money in. The rip-off culprits are not the factory workers somewhere in China who are trying to make a living, but the person the knowingly sell counterfeits to an uninformed buyer.
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Spyderco used to have an advertisement where they listed the knife companies and individuals that were honoring the patent on the Spyderco hole. I think that it would be nice if there was consideration given to those companies that do the hard work and come up with designs, and then lose them. Often the guilty party is U.S. based. Companies like Buck, Benchmade, Spyderco, Gerber produce knives in the U.S. as well as overseas. Other unnamed big-name U.S. companies purchase and produce knives that are direct copies of their original designs. The real problem is not that factories exist that can copy and produce knives very cheaply, but rather that importers and distributers can openly sell these copies in the same country where they were designed. Sal has said many times that when a knife is copied, sales of the original go down. Is that fair? No.
So who loses out? Ultimately the collector does. The knives we want cost more because the production runs have to be shorter and design development costs have to be repaid sooner. The copies that are inevitable drive the price of knives up.
When I talk to management of the different cutlery companies I get the same description of how tough the market is. These folks are not raking the money in. The rip-off culprits are not the factory workers somewhere in China who are trying to make a living, but the person the knowingly sell counterfeits to an uninformed buyer.
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