The subject says it all. Period.
As an ACO, we've been dealing w/ horrendous overcrowding, almost daily cell floods, numerous take downs, and finding many improvised weapons on inmates as of late(Sharpened toothbrushes, bucket handles...)
I still pray for those 2 ACO's who were stabbed, please join me regarding the ACO's held hostage in Arizona.
Mahalo and God Bless.
God will put you over...if you let Him! Mark 11:23!
OT: Please pray for CO's in Arizona...
Daywalker, as a fellow CO, I'm praying for them as well. I hope you stay safe, also.
Re. the cell floods, weapons, etc. I know where you're coming from. Our prison has been very lively of late. We just had another two officers involved in a fight on Friday. Both are well, one injured his knee slightly, but no big deal.
You probably remember that we were locked down last week due to our two officers being stabbed. Both are doing very well, one is back to work already.
I hope the guys/gals in Arizona make it out okay.
Stay safe and watch your back.
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Re. the cell floods, weapons, etc. I know where you're coming from. Our prison has been very lively of late. We just had another two officers involved in a fight on Friday. Both are well, one injured his knee slightly, but no big deal.
You probably remember that we were locked down last week due to our two officers being stabbed. Both are doing very well, one is back to work already.
I hope the guys/gals in Arizona make it out okay.
Stay safe and watch your back.
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Please excuse my igorance, but what's an "ACO"? And what's the story with the Arizona hostages? <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
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God Bless you Java and Jim...Yes, our job is often thankless, and fraught w/ a lot of unpublicised dangers on a daily basis. Thank you Java for recognizing that, and you be safe as well Jim.
Dialex, an ACO is an Adult Corrections Officer= Prison/Jail Guard. There was a stand off in Arizona in which some CO's were held hostage...A hard job because we must not only protect ourselves but the inmates as well, regardless of their crime.
God will put you over...if you let Him! Mark 11:23!
Dialex, an ACO is an Adult Corrections Officer= Prison/Jail Guard. There was a stand off in Arizona in which some CO's were held hostage...A hard job because we must not only protect ourselves but the inmates as well, regardless of their crime.
God will put you over...if you let Him! Mark 11:23!
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Dialex,
My apologies for forgetting we have a whole world of Spydie fans out there. Sometimes our jargon, local idioms, and acronyms tend to confuse and separte us even when writing in a common language. Corrections Officers and the other good folks who man the prison systems are often overlooked when we speak of Save and Serve members. It's a pretty thankless job keeping the populace at large safe from some of the worst we have to offer and attempting to rehabiliate others to assume a productive role in society. Bless them, give them the strength to make the right decisions in stressful situations, and above all - keep them safe.
Hope to be sending something your way soon. Best to you, Mrs D, and the young 'uns.
JA
My apologies for forgetting we have a whole world of Spydie fans out there. Sometimes our jargon, local idioms, and acronyms tend to confuse and separte us even when writing in a common language. Corrections Officers and the other good folks who man the prison systems are often overlooked when we speak of Save and Serve members. It's a pretty thankless job keeping the populace at large safe from some of the worst we have to offer and attempting to rehabiliate others to assume a productive role in society. Bless them, give them the strength to make the right decisions in stressful situations, and above all - keep them safe.
Hope to be sending something your way soon. Best to you, Mrs D, and the young 'uns.
JA
One of the most frustrating aspects of being a CO is that it is truly a thankless job most of the time. On the lighter side, the thanks you guys are giving us is thus that much sweeter.
The prison where I work is surrounded by a 35-foot-tall, concrete, steel-reinforced wall. Not only does it keep the inmates IN, but it keeps the public OUT, making our existance truly obscure and secret.
People think we carry guns and/or clubs on duty, which is totally false. They're shocked when I tell them we carry nothing for self-defense except our hands and feet, and our brain.
I'd love to be able to carry a video camera on the job for just one day. I'd win "America's Funniest Home Videos", hands-down!
I've been looking for a new job, but so far, no luck. Looks like I'm out of luck until my sentence is up.
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The prison where I work is surrounded by a 35-foot-tall, concrete, steel-reinforced wall. Not only does it keep the inmates IN, but it keeps the public OUT, making our existance truly obscure and secret.
People think we carry guns and/or clubs on duty, which is totally false. They're shocked when I tell them we carry nothing for self-defense except our hands and feet, and our brain.
I'd love to be able to carry a video camera on the job for just one day. I'd win "America's Funniest Home Videos", hands-down!
I've been looking for a new job, but so far, no luck. Looks like I'm out of luck until my sentence is up.
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Aloha and amen to that Jim! Java hit it right on the nose.
Yes, our roles are very thankless basically ALL the time, we never get told how good we're doing, only when we screw up. At least at my facility that's how it goes. We also carry NO weapons, like ASP's, guns, etc. We ARE the "weapon". Took down a guy last week, took down a guy tonight during chow, almost had to suit up for a cell extraction...thank God I had some admin. leave tonight! ****.
Please, be aware & safe Jim, and NEVER presume comliance! Thanks again Java!
God will put you over...if you let Him! Mark 11:23!
Yes, our roles are very thankless basically ALL the time, we never get told how good we're doing, only when we screw up. At least at my facility that's how it goes. We also carry NO weapons, like ASP's, guns, etc. We ARE the "weapon". Took down a guy last week, took down a guy tonight during chow, almost had to suit up for a cell extraction...thank God I had some admin. leave tonight! ****.
Please, be aware & safe Jim, and NEVER presume comliance! Thanks again Java!
God will put you over...if you let Him! Mark 11:23!
We had an interesting day....
A guy in our Assessment unit was tearing up one of the cells,ripping the benches from the wall, flooding the room, etc.
They brought down a very large canister of OC (pepper spray)and doused the cell. It worked. In fact, it worked so well that the ventilation system carried it upstairs into the Dispensary, and the nurses/docs came staggering out with snot down to their knees. One doc was vomiting, LOL! The inmates weren't very happy, either.
Then we had a Signal 13 (Officer Down) call, and we couldn't find the calling staff member, so COs were running from block to block trying to find out what was going on.
Oh, and last night, they caught a male officer in a male inmate's cell, and they had the curtain across the door for privacy. Word has it that the CO was caught in a rather....uh....compromising position.
This comes on the heels of one of our female officers being arrested last week for having sex with an inmate in the prison, which was all over the radio and the t.v. news.
I almost got into a fight today twenty minutes before my shift ended. An inmate who was pissed at me decided to slam the door...while I was still standing in the doorway! Then he advised me to go screw myself.
Not wanting to engage in paperwork, I handled the matter expeditiously in my own manner that quickly got the young fellow back on my sheet of music.
We're just batting a thousand here!
Stay safe, man!
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A guy in our Assessment unit was tearing up one of the cells,ripping the benches from the wall, flooding the room, etc.
They brought down a very large canister of OC (pepper spray)and doused the cell. It worked. In fact, it worked so well that the ventilation system carried it upstairs into the Dispensary, and the nurses/docs came staggering out with snot down to their knees. One doc was vomiting, LOL! The inmates weren't very happy, either.
Then we had a Signal 13 (Officer Down) call, and we couldn't find the calling staff member, so COs were running from block to block trying to find out what was going on.
Oh, and last night, they caught a male officer in a male inmate's cell, and they had the curtain across the door for privacy. Word has it that the CO was caught in a rather....uh....compromising position.
This comes on the heels of one of our female officers being arrested last week for having sex with an inmate in the prison, which was all over the radio and the t.v. news.
I almost got into a fight today twenty minutes before my shift ended. An inmate who was pissed at me decided to slam the door...while I was still standing in the doorway! Then he advised me to go screw myself.
Not wanting to engage in paperwork, I handled the matter expeditiously in my own manner that quickly got the young fellow back on my sheet of music.
We're just batting a thousand here!
Stay safe, man!
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Yah, I don't miss doing that job much...but I have to say it sure was interesting with all the shanks and what nots. I did enjoy working for the JCSO jail in Texas. But I am glad to leave that behind with the oppertunity of working for TPD or another agency here in the Tampa, Florida area. I am greatful I never was caught in a hostage situation but had a few close calls and a few cell riots that were to say the least interesting...let those guys know that they are much appreciated if you know them personally if not...just continue to bath them in prayer. COs are not a job everyone can handle and though not my calling in life. I did have the ability to handle it. I am just grateful that I do not have to go back to it.
Aloha!
Sounds like just another day at the office to me Jim. You continue being safe, and know that prayer is POWERFUL!
Kudzu74, you are fortunate in that God provided a way out for you. CO's are a rather special breed of person...thanks for your prayers.
God will put you over...if you let Him! Mark 11:23!
Sounds like just another day at the office to me Jim. You continue being safe, and know that prayer is POWERFUL!
Kudzu74, you are fortunate in that God provided a way out for you. CO's are a rather special breed of person...thanks for your prayers.
God will put you over...if you let Him! Mark 11:23!
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Thanks for the infos... It's an interesting society we're livin in... Speaking for my part, and my part only, I'd pick a different approach instead of spending valuable resources to keep the society safe of bad elements. But hey, I guess it has to do with our Romanian history. You surely heard of the now infamous impaler Dracula (which, BTW, was NOT a vampyre at all, despite Bram Stoker's writings). As he couldn't afford buiding so many jails (we are a poor country after all), he decided to get rid of undesirable elements (as thieves, rapists, and murderers) in a radical way... And guess what? It worked! <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
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Aloha Dialex,
Yes, that's the "solution" many would take, but we are after all, "Civilized', are we not?
Fellow Co's always say, "****, they're job security!" But at the expense of a child being mollested, an elderly woman beaten for her purse to buy Crystal meth,a spouse abused, a person raped...****, they can have the job should these miserable events cease!
God will put you over...if you let Him! Mark 11:23!
Yes, that's the "solution" many would take, but we are after all, "Civilized', are we not?
Fellow Co's always say, "****, they're job security!" But at the expense of a child being mollested, an elderly woman beaten for her purse to buy Crystal meth,a spouse abused, a person raped...****, they can have the job should these miserable events cease!
God will put you over...if you let Him! Mark 11:23!
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Bein' a "hack" is indeed a thankless job.
Here's a little something to create conversation :
What does your State pay you? Benefits?
Have there been lay-offs? And how about
the SOB's ya' gotta work with ( i.e. the so-called "ex-cons" that haven't divorced themselves from "the life"? ( such as I have ))
Nobody at ANY State legislature looks at
how REALLY dangerous that work is ( I bet you put'em to work in a REAL hard ( level 4
in CT ) maximum -or- violence ridden ( the old Somers in CT ) and they'd change their tune! I don't care how many surveillance cameras, how many shakedowns are done, the risk of injury to the Corrections Officer is
100 fold greater than a cop on the "beat".
DiALEX :
CO's, BTW, can't always carry firearms, nightsticks, or sometimes even mace/pepper spray ; sometimes America's prisons have to have a special Emergency Response Team (ERT)
enter to quell riots ( where prison personnel & officials often are taken hostage and/or killed )
Not something really worth say $30,000 a year ( hey people gotta make a living, but
those "gangbangers" and other un-savory types gotta be walled up in cement or something!)
AET <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
"All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke ( 1729-1797 )
Edited by - AllenETreat on 1/29/2004 11:02:26 AM
Here's a little something to create conversation :
What does your State pay you? Benefits?
Have there been lay-offs? And how about
the SOB's ya' gotta work with ( i.e. the so-called "ex-cons" that haven't divorced themselves from "the life"? ( such as I have ))
Nobody at ANY State legislature looks at
how REALLY dangerous that work is ( I bet you put'em to work in a REAL hard ( level 4
in CT ) maximum -or- violence ridden ( the old Somers in CT ) and they'd change their tune! I don't care how many surveillance cameras, how many shakedowns are done, the risk of injury to the Corrections Officer is
100 fold greater than a cop on the "beat".
DiALEX :
CO's, BTW, can't always carry firearms, nightsticks, or sometimes even mace/pepper spray ; sometimes America's prisons have to have a special Emergency Response Team (ERT)
enter to quell riots ( where prison personnel & officials often are taken hostage and/or killed )
Not something really worth say $30,000 a year ( hey people gotta make a living, but
those "gangbangers" and other un-savory types gotta be walled up in cement or something!)
AET <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
"All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke ( 1729-1797 )
Edited by - AllenETreat on 1/29/2004 11:02:26 AM
I used to be a member of CERT (for about seven years). I was a sniper for the team for two years, and enjoyed the job very much, though I'm thankful that I never had to "drop the hammer" on anyone.
The majority of the time inmates acted up, they gave up when they found out we were coming.
Two days ago, we actually had five cell extractions in one day (three were for the same inmate!!).
The prison I work in is so huge that cell extractions can occur, and some of us only hear about them days later, or in some cases, we never even learn of them. It's the fourth largest prison in America, about the size of some small towns, having more occupants than many small towns.
To me, it's not really that unusual, but when I stop and think about it all, it's pretty amazing.
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The majority of the time inmates acted up, they gave up when they found out we were coming.
Two days ago, we actually had five cell extractions in one day (three were for the same inmate!!).
The prison I work in is so huge that cell extractions can occur, and some of us only hear about them days later, or in some cases, we never even learn of them. It's the fourth largest prison in America, about the size of some small towns, having more occupants than many small towns.
To me, it's not really that unusual, but when I stop and think about it all, it's pretty amazing.
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Howdy, jim!
Take that errant three time loser & put'em
in "the hole"! <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> Just SEE if he acts up
again! ABTW : Have you read :
Marine Sniper :
93 confirmed kills
About Marine gunney sgt. Carlos Hathcock ; If ya' want to learn about the fine art of hitting a bulls-eye, he's the man to get instruction from!<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Check out www.Paladin-Press.com
Not only do they have books on your trade, they also have books on the various "gangs"
that litter Our streets & prisons.( most by Loren Christensen <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>)
Alot of good stuff on concealed weapons too!
Keep punchin', keep the faith!
AET <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
"All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke ( 1729-1797 )
Edited by - AllenETreat on 1/29/2004 3:15:25 PM
Take that errant three time loser & put'em
in "the hole"! <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> Just SEE if he acts up
again! ABTW : Have you read :
Marine Sniper :
93 confirmed kills
About Marine gunney sgt. Carlos Hathcock ; If ya' want to learn about the fine art of hitting a bulls-eye, he's the man to get instruction from!<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Check out www.Paladin-Press.com
Not only do they have books on your trade, they also have books on the various "gangs"
that litter Our streets & prisons.( most by Loren Christensen <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>)
Alot of good stuff on concealed weapons too!
Keep punchin', keep the faith!
AET <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
"All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke ( 1729-1797 )
Edited by - AllenETreat on 1/29/2004 3:15:25 PM
AllenETreat Posted: Have you read :
Marine Sniper :
93 confirmed kills
About Marine gunney sgt. Carlos Hathcock ; If ya' want to learn about the fine art of hitting a bulls-eye, he's the man to get instruction from! >>>>>
Allen, the instructor of our sniper school is a graduate of Hathcock's police sniper school (White Feather, Inc.) that is located in Virginia Beach.
The program I learned was basically the same as the one Gunny Hathcock taught at his school. I thoroughly enjoyed it, the program was incredibly intense.
Yes, I read Marine Sniper, and the sequel, Silent Hunter, both by Charles Henderson. Absolutely incredible books, both of them.
Unfortunately, Carlos N. Hathcock III passed away in 1999 (the day before our baby passed away). Very sad time all around.
I was fortunate to speak to the Gunny on one occasion. I'd written him a letter, and he gave me a call. We spoke for fifteen or twenty minutes, and I have to say, it was a MAJOR honor and thrill for me to talk with him and ask him every question I could think of.
I will definitely say that he was the nicest person that I can recall speaking to; very polite, softspoken, and so modest that it should have been against the law to be that modest. He just would not take much credit at all for all his accomplishments, of which he had many. "Just doing my job" was what he told me several times.
As we said goodbye, he told me, "Don't let them hamburgers getcha!", referring to the inmates in the prison.
The Gunny was a **** of a guy. I wish I'd have been able to spend a bit more time with him.
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Marine Sniper :
93 confirmed kills
About Marine gunney sgt. Carlos Hathcock ; If ya' want to learn about the fine art of hitting a bulls-eye, he's the man to get instruction from! >>>>>
Allen, the instructor of our sniper school is a graduate of Hathcock's police sniper school (White Feather, Inc.) that is located in Virginia Beach.
The program I learned was basically the same as the one Gunny Hathcock taught at his school. I thoroughly enjoyed it, the program was incredibly intense.
Yes, I read Marine Sniper, and the sequel, Silent Hunter, both by Charles Henderson. Absolutely incredible books, both of them.
Unfortunately, Carlos N. Hathcock III passed away in 1999 (the day before our baby passed away). Very sad time all around.
I was fortunate to speak to the Gunny on one occasion. I'd written him a letter, and he gave me a call. We spoke for fifteen or twenty minutes, and I have to say, it was a MAJOR honor and thrill for me to talk with him and ask him every question I could think of.
I will definitely say that he was the nicest person that I can recall speaking to; very polite, softspoken, and so modest that it should have been against the law to be that modest. He just would not take much credit at all for all his accomplishments, of which he had many. "Just doing my job" was what he told me several times.
As we said goodbye, he told me, "Don't let them hamburgers getcha!", referring to the inmates in the prison.
The Gunny was a **** of a guy. I wish I'd have been able to spend a bit more time with him.
Sniper -- One Shot, One Kill Email: ST8PEN01@aol.com
The second and final CO has been released and the two inmates have been taken into custody!
I'm elated that this was all done without loss of life or major injury to the staff involved.
Being in a prison setting when things are running well is stressful; in a hostage situation, it's pure ****.
In the prison where I work, there have been quite a few hostage situations over the years. I've had the priveledge of speaking with some of the (ex)hostages, and I learned quite a bit. I also teach a class on hostage survival.
A good conclusion like this is a blessing. It's one of the reasons that negotiations are preferred as opposed to a forced entry with flash-bangs and gunfire. If you can trade a few cartons of cigarettes or a case of fruit cocktail for a hostage, then why not?
Outstanding!
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I'm elated that this was all done without loss of life or major injury to the staff involved.
Being in a prison setting when things are running well is stressful; in a hostage situation, it's pure ****.
In the prison where I work, there have been quite a few hostage situations over the years. I've had the priveledge of speaking with some of the (ex)hostages, and I learned quite a bit. I also teach a class on hostage survival.
A good conclusion like this is a blessing. It's one of the reasons that negotiations are preferred as opposed to a forced entry with flash-bangs and gunfire. If you can trade a few cartons of cigarettes or a case of fruit cocktail for a hostage, then why not?
Outstanding!
Sniper -- One Shot, One Kill Email: ST8PEN01@aol.com
Hey, I just got back to reading this post and the added threads...I have to say that I'm am glad I do not have to do a CO's job any longer. But yes we are a special breed to be able to excel at such a position with the risks involved in doing that duty. I use to laugh at the cops that came in to the jail with their newly tagged perp. As they stated above they got all the gadgets and toys while we walk the halls and cells with a set of keys and a radio and maybe a pair of handcuffs (which if you think of who you are watching and how many for guards could more easily be used against you then for you). I also notice how quick they are to leave the facility (the cops) they only have to deal with the person what maybe an hour or so 'tops' while we work with that same individual day in and day out... depending on the rotation of the facility. I think the average amount of people a cop deals with solo is around 2 to 3 before there is some sort of backup...while we walk a cell block with a minimum of 49 inmates to one guard and that is without over crowding in the facility (this was in Texas by manditory regulations from TECLOSE). I thought that funny until I came to Florida and thought I might do that until I got on with an agency as a Law Enforcement Officer or Investigator. In Florida, the max. for one guard is like 72 in direct supervision in some of the Tampa area jails. I thought to myself there is no way you are getting me into that environment again without a guard station to go back into after a walk-through or 'shake down'. Anyhow, I think I blabbered on enough for now. I wish you guys well in your continued service in corrections. But I would be hard pressed to go back to that when I hope to end up doing a career as a criminal investigator wether for a local, state, or federal agency.