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Re: feathersticking
Obviously go very light with the Manbug, just shaving them really. Great for starting up our fireplace if I'm low on actual kindling, or just feeling like testing it out a bit.
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Re: feathersticking
Give it a try if you like. Life is about learning, and experiencing right? There are certainly some variables for consideration. It may come down to what, or how, you call/define a "feather stick", or "feather". I would think the man/lady bug were perhaps a bit on the small side for doing it effectively. While I will be the first to say you sure don't need a "huge" blade to do it well, a proper sized handle is another matter entirely..
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Re: feathersticking
I consider it a feather stick if it lights on fire easilyu.w. wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:33 pmGive it a try if you like. Life is about learning, and experiencing right? There are certainly some variables for consideration. It may come down to what, or how, you call/define a "feather stick", or "feather". I would think the man/lady bug were perhaps a bit on the small side for doing it effectively. While I will be the first to say you sure don't need a "huge" blade to do it well, a proper sized handle is another matter entirely..
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Re: feathersticking
Shiok!JoviAl wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:02 amI’ve just been knocking up feather sticks today at work with my Magnacut mule and it works a treat (although it definitely helps if it is freshly sharpened). My favourite knives for feather sticks are my Yojumbo, Yojimbo and PM2 tanto. It occurs to me as I write this that they’re all hollow ground blades, although I can’t imagine how that would be helpful apart from them being thin behind the edge and hellaciously sharp
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Re: feathersticking
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Re: feathersticking
I make my share of feathersticks, that's for sure. It's a skill I've really put effort into optimizing, so I'm probably not taking my feather flexing to its full potential, but I get my fires started so that's something.
My most used Spyderco for making feathersticks has got to be the Waterway. No contest. Not because it's particularly great, but because I use it as the designer intended - as a do-everything-knife. If I only carry one knife, there's a big chance it's this one.
Second most, and probably the only other one used enough to be worth a mention is the Native 5 salt. Again, not because it's great for feathersticking, but if I go very light (and I often do), this is the only knife I have with me. Unlike the Waterway, (or other fixed blades) which I'm likely to bring if I plan to make a fire, or if it's a likely scenario, the Native is used for the ad-hoc fires, and often in combination with my titanium hobo stove.
But honestly, the boring answer is that my scandi, scandivex and convex fixed blades gets to do the majority of my feathersticks.
Most used is probably the Mora Robust I keep by my fireplace at home, with the Fällkniven F1, that does most of my outdoor feathersticks, on a close second place.
Unlike Mr. Kochanski, I've never realized feathersticks can be photogenic, but nevertheless this thread needs more pictures
My most used Spyderco for making feathersticks has got to be the Waterway. No contest. Not because it's particularly great, but because I use it as the designer intended - as a do-everything-knife. If I only carry one knife, there's a big chance it's this one.
Second most, and probably the only other one used enough to be worth a mention is the Native 5 salt. Again, not because it's great for feathersticking, but if I go very light (and I often do), this is the only knife I have with me. Unlike the Waterway, (or other fixed blades) which I'm likely to bring if I plan to make a fire, or if it's a likely scenario, the Native is used for the ad-hoc fires, and often in combination with my titanium hobo stove.
But honestly, the boring answer is that my scandi, scandivex and convex fixed blades gets to do the majority of my feathersticks.
Most used is probably the Mora Robust I keep by my fireplace at home, with the Fällkniven F1, that does most of my outdoor feathersticks, on a close second place.
Unlike Mr. Kochanski, I've never realized feathersticks can be photogenic, but nevertheless this thread needs more pictures
Re: feathersticking
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Re: feathersticking
Christian Noble wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:05 pm...
Maybe I am wrong here, but my train of thought has been serrated cuts extremely well, rope as an example is more easily cut by serrated that PE with everything else be equal...
There are perhaps varying "definitions" of what a "good featherstick" is...
For me the only criteria is how easily it will catch a spark and enflame.
This is where SE really shines for me. The curls just get finer and more "fuzzy", probably due to the combo of scallops and acute chisel grind (?)
I'd really appreciate if all you "featherstickers" who might read this and own a serrated SPYDERCO (! not any other serrated knife) try for themselves and share the result here. Would be interesting if you come to the same experience as I do or not [EDIT: And try how well they do in actually catching a spark/starting a fire, NOT how "nice" the curls look]
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Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
Re: feathersticking
Just had a go with my SE Caribbean Salt and it was a different sort of experience to my hollow ground PE blades but definitely did a great job. Less aesthetically pleasing curls and less uniform but very easy to do. Now I’m wondering how a chisel ground PE would be for feather sticksWartstein wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:15 amChristian Noble wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:05 pm...
Maybe I am wrong here, but my train of thought has been serrated cuts extremely well, rope as an example is more easily cut by serrated that PE with everything else be equal...
There are perhaps varying "definitions" of what a "good featherstick" is...
For me the only criteria is how easily it will catch a spark and enflame.
This is where SE really shines for me. The curls just get finer and more "fuzzy", probably due to the combo of scallops and acute chisel grind (?)
I'd really appreciate if all you "featherstickers" who might read this and own a serrated SPYDERCO (! not any other serrated knife) try for themselves and share the result here. Would be interesting if you come to the same experience as I do or not
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Re: feathersticking
JoviAl wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:47 amJust had a go with my SE Caribbean Salt and it was a different sort of experience to my hollow ground PE blades but definitely did a great job. Less aesthetically pleasing curls and less uniform but very easy to do. Now I’m wondering how a chisel ground PE would be for feather sticksWartstein wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:15 am
There are perhaps varying "definitions" of what a "good featherstick" is...
For me the only criteria is how easily it will catch a spark and enflame.
This is where SE really shines for me. The curls just get finer and more "fuzzy", probably due to the combo of scallops and acute chisel grind (?)
I'd really appreciate if all you "featherstickers" who might read this and own a serrated SPYDERCO (! not any other serrated knife) try for themselves and share the result here. Would be interesting if you come to the same experience as I do or not
Thanks!!
Could you try, how well they'll catch a spark and so how good they are actually for fire starting?
I assume your "less aesthetically pleasing and less uniform" probably exactly ARE what I mean with "fuzzier" and what makes them BETTER for actual fire starting (but worse in a "featherstick beauty contest" )
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
Re: feathersticking
I’m just about to light a small fire for my wife so I’ll give it a go now and get back to youWartstein wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:53 am
Thanks!!
Could you try, how well they'll catch a spark and so how good they are actually for fire starting?
I assume your "less aesthetically pleasing and less uniform" probably exactly ARE what I mean with "fuzzier" and what makes them BETTER for actual fire starting (but worse in a "featherstick beauty contest" )
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Re: feathersticking
JoviAl wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:07 amI’m just about to light a small fire for my wife so I’ll give it a go now and get back to youWartstein wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:53 am
Thanks!!
Could you try, how well they'll catch a spark and so how good they are actually for fire starting?
I assume your "less aesthetically pleasing and less uniform" probably exactly ARE what I mean with "fuzzier" and what makes them BETTER for actual fire starting (but worse in a "featherstick beauty contest" )
Cool, really appreciate that!
Please compare "serrated edge featherstick" to "plain edge featherstick" if I am not asking to much.
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
Re: feathersticking
So the results are in and… they all lit easily on the first three scrapes of a large fire steel the serrated ones were more fluffy and had almost hair-like curls, whereas the PE ones looked more like very fine curls from a woodworking plane. Both lit effortlessly. I’m mindful this might sound like I’m humble bragging (I detest humble bragging), but they both were really very easy to light. I was using bone dry pine sticks.Wartstein wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:10 amJoviAl wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:07 amI’m just about to light a small fire for my wife so I’ll give it a go now and get back to youWartstein wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:53 am
Thanks!!
Could you try, how well they'll catch a spark and so how good they are actually for fire starting?
I assume your "less aesthetically pleasing and less uniform" probably exactly ARE what I mean with "fuzzier" and what makes them BETTER for actual fire starting (but worse in a "featherstick beauty contest" )
Cool, really appreciate that!
Please compare "serrated edge featherstick" to "plain edge featherstick" if I am not asking to much.
Full disclosure - I make these at least once a day five days a week though at work, so it’s possible that I’ve just gotten the knack of it with both types of edge. The SE was pretty easy to do as it kind of locked in to its grooves once it got going, whereas the PE required a bit more finesse on the angle but gave wide beautiful curls. Poh-tay-toh po-ta-to
Lots of shrugging going on over here
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Re: feathersticking
Oh, I forgot to mention - the PE was a flat grind Magnacut mule and the SE was a H1 dragonfly salt. I only realised afterwards that I could have used my Yojimbo for the PE, but that would have felt like I was biasing my results of purpose as it makes majestic fire sticks.
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Re: feathersticking
WolfSpyder is about Delica sized. This is an older pic, and scandi bevel has been slightly convexed, but the WolfSpyder is a great option for a smaller feather sticker.
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Re: feathersticking
I use the spine on my resilience to do super fine curls that ignite with a spark no problem. The spine is a nice sharp 90 that works like a charm. Honestly I think the resilience is one of the best outdoor folders I’ve come across. I bought one a long while back and it’s been an amazing beater. I liked it enough that I bought a second one. I have also gifted a couple.
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Nice knife! I’ve been keeping an eye open for one of those on the secondary market for years but they never seem to come up.
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Re: feathersticking
A (very) quick comparison of the sort of feathers you get from SE vs PE (flat grind) for reference.
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Re: feathersticking
SE’s ones are definitely uglier (IMO) but just as easy to light.
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