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Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:59 pm
by Username827
I don't have Rex45 or Maxamet. Missed both boats on those. However I was able to pick up the Knifecenter Cruwear with the smooth G10. Since I got it, it has become my main EDC. Honestly thinking of moving a bunch of other models just because they don't get enough time in the rotation. Never have had a problem with it slipping out of my hand due to lack of traction, but I usually have my fingers locked in the coil with my thumb on the the ramp.
No such thing as a bad PM2 though. Enjoy your choice!
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:05 pm
by abbazaba
emanuel wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:37 pm
Another thing I forgot to ask, how is Rex 45 handling lateral edge stresses? Like when carving wood? Any issues? I know Cruwear is stupidly strong in that regard, similar to how 52100 performs, so no issues there.
FWIW...
//forum.spyderco.com/viewto ... 0#p1256736
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:02 pm
by The Meat man
Mine has handled wood carving tasks just fine so far. Yesterday I was using my Rex Military to carve and whittle on a piece of seasoned Osage Orange wood, which is much harder and denser than oak. No chips or rolling or any other type of edge damage.
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:24 pm
by Shooter4321
TomAiello wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:52 pm
Shooter4321 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:51 am
I’m getting much better wear resistance with Rex45 then I am with M4.
Which M4? Spyderco CPM M4?
I haven't spend enough time with Rex45, but if it's substantially better than my M4 Spyderco's I should definitely make the time to get it into my pocket more often.
Yeah I have a Para 2 in M4, and a military in Rex45..
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:33 pm
by Rutger
I own all 3 steels and REX45 has my vote.
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:24 am
by ScottyWho
I've been led to believe that the Para 3 in Maxamet will be produced again. Can anyone confirm?
My Para 3 in 52100 is amazing. No complaints. Very curious about these other exotics.
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:36 am
by The Meat man
ScottyWho wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:24 am
I've been led to believe that the Para 3 in Maxamet will be produced again. Can anyone confirm?
My Para 3 in 52100 is amazing. No complaints. Very curious about these other exotics.
Welcome to the forum ScottyWho.
Yes, both the Para 3 and the Paramilitary 2 in Maxamet will be in production again. Check out the Spyderco 2019 catalog.
Precisely when they'll be released is anyone's guess, but I would bet before the middle of the year.
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:52 am
by emanuel
I've decided. I'm getting the Cruwear, Rex seems to be very similar to Maxamet, which I will be getting later anyway, once it will be available again from Spyderco this year. Thanks guys!
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:32 am
by blues
emanuel wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:52 am
I've decided. I'm getting the Cruwear, Rex seems to be very similar to Maxamet, which I will be getting later anyway, once it will be available again from Spyderco this year. Thanks guys!
REX 45 is significantly tougher than the Maxamet but will not hold an edge as long. Neither is particularly corrosion resistant.
Cru-Wear would be the most balanced of the three.
There are always trade-offs but Cru-Wear checks most of the boxes from corrosion resistance to toughness to edge holding and ease of sharpening quite nicely.
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:04 pm
by Rutger
emanuel wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:52 am
I've decided. I'm getting the Cruwear, Rex seems to be very similar to Maxamet, which I will be getting later anyway, once it will be available again from Spyderco this year. Thanks guys!
Cruwear is great stuff. You'll love it.
Is it the old grey sprint run or the newer black KnifeCenter exclusive? I really like those smooth scales on the KC exclusive.
The only thing REX45 has in common with Maxamet is the higher hardness though. Other than that it is nothing like it. Maxamet is packed with carbides while REX45 is a relative low carbide steel (3% vanadium + some tungsten). Big difference in toughness. And i think the only reason why cruwear is a little easier to sharpen is due to it's lower hardness. REX45 has a less carbides than cruwear in the steel.
REX45 was a sprint run, so no re-runs of that. It's the most rare of the 3 and may stay that way. Unknown if Spyderco will use it again.
Cruwear had a sprint + exclusive run, so more common.
Maxamet you can always buy later.
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:22 pm
by Pelagic
Rutger wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:04 pm
emanuel wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:52 am
I've decided. I'm getting the Cruwear, Rex seems to be very similar to Maxamet, which I will be getting later anyway, once it will be available again from Spyderco this year. Thanks guys!
Cruwear is great stuff. You'll love it.
Is it the old grey sprint run or the newer black KnifeCenter exclusive? I really like those smooth scales on the KC exclusive.
The only thing REX45 has in common with Maxamet is the higher hardness though. Other than that it is nothing like it. Maxamet is packed with carbides while REX45 is a relative low carbide steel (3% vanadium + some tungsten). Big difference in toughness. And i think the only reason why cruwear is a little easier to sharpen is due to it's lower hardness. REX45 has a less carbides than cruwear in the steel.
REX45 was a sprint run, so no re-runs of that. It's the most rare of the 3 and may stay that way. Unknown if Spyderco will use it again.
Cruwear had a sprint + exclusive run, so more common.
Maxamet you can always buy later.
How is Rex45 not a buffet of carbides? And leftover elements.
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:45 pm
by koenigsegg
I would choose Rex45 unless you plan to hammer the blade into something
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:56 pm
by Rutger
Pelagic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:22 pm
How is Rex45 not a buffet of carbides? And leftover elements.
Larrin did the calculations.
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2018/11/19/ ... retention/
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2018/11/26/ ... etention2/
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:12 pm
by Pelagic
Can you explain what I'm looking at?
If the elements don't either remain in the matrix or form carbides like I said, does some reaction make them disappear?
REX 45 starts out with a lot of different elements. I stated that they either form carbides or remain in the matrix. If this isn't true, where do they go?
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:18 pm
by ferider
I also don't understand. In these tables, for Rex 45, molybdenum carbides are similar to Rex M4 and Rex 45 cobalt carbides are missing ?
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:13 pm
by jpm2
Maxamet will last longer than rex45, and much longer than cruwear in both coarse and fine edge holding.
ferider wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:18 pm
I also don't understand. In these tables, for Rex 45, molybdenum carbides are similar to Rex M4 and Rex 45 cobalt carbides are missing ?
Cobalt is not a carbide former.
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:30 am
by ScottyWho
The Meat man wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:36 am
ScottyWho wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:24 am
I've been led to believe that the Para 3 in Maxamet will be produced again. Can anyone confirm?
My Para 3 in 52100 is amazing. No complaints. Very curious about these other exotics.
Welcome to the forum ScottyWho.
Yes, both the Para 3 and the Paramilitary 2 in Maxamet will be in production again. Check out the Spyderco 2019 catalog.
Precisely when they'll be released is anyone's guess, but I would bet before the middle of the year.
Thanks meat man. lol.
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:58 am
by ScottyWho
To clarify on why I really like the Para3 in 52100. The patina gives it character in my opinion, this may be a downside for some but the way that the spydie hole develops discoloration with use is very cool. Traditional if you will. My M4 Gayle Bradley hasn't taken much of a patina yet. The orange peel carbon fiber handle is grippy and fits perfectly in my hand. 52100 is very tough and despite carving some relatively hard woods I haven't had any problems with rolling. Outside of the bushcrafting community, most people aren't familiar with 52100 but I'm very pleased with it and I think anyone interested in cruwear/carbon steels should definitely check it out. A folder in 52100 is pretty rare.
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:19 am
by ferider
jpm2 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:13 pm
Maxamet will last longer than rex45, and much longer than cruwear in both coarse and fine edge holding.
ferider wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:18 pm
I also don't understand. In these tables, for Rex 45, molybdenum carbides are similar to Rex M4 and Rex 45 cobalt carbides are missing ?
Cobalt is not a carbide former.
I'm not a steel chemist in any way, and maybe an expert can chime in, but it appears that Cobalt
is a carbide former for HSS, optimized for hot hardness as Rex 45, and in conjunction with Tungsten. Note that WC is missing in Larrin's Rex 45 table entry, too. As a reference, for example, use
http://www.carbideprocessors.com/pages/ ... inder.html.
Re: Help needed in steel choice: PM2 CruWear vs Rex 45 vs Maxamet
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:48 am
by Rutger
ferider wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:19 am
jpm2 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:13 pm
Maxamet will last longer than rex45, and much longer than cruwear in both coarse and fine edge holding.
ferider wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:18 pm
I also don't understand. In these tables, for Rex 45, molybdenum carbides are similar to Rex M4 and Rex 45 cobalt carbides are missing ?
Cobalt is not a carbide former.
I'm not a steel chemist in any way, and maybe an expert can chime in, but it appears that Cobalt
is a carbide former for HSS, optimized for hot hardness as Rex 45, and in conjunction with Tungsten. Note that WC is missing in Larrin's Rex 45 table entry, too. As a reference, for example, use
http://www.carbideprocessors.com/pages/ ... inder.html.
Cobalt does not form carbides. It does help with (hot) hardness. It's also why Spyderco can get the steel so hard. And the tungsten carbides are under M6C. So percentage wise REX45 has less carbides than Cruwear. All pretty technical this, but just to show it's not the same as Maxamet.
"M6C refers to high speed steel carbides where the M can be Mo, W, etc. MC is generally vanadium carbides (VC) though the M can also refer to Nb, Fe, etc."