Shirogami (white) steel?

[einstein2001]

I was wondering if any of the Shirogami (white) steels have ever been considered for a mule or production run?
As an almost pure carbon steel its corrosion resistance would be poor and not as tough as Aiogami Super, but may be an interesting steel nonetheless.

[razorsharp]

That would make me happy :)

[Nate]

I haven't tried Super Blue yet, but I've been very happy with my Tojiro Shirogami. Really easy to keep it razor sharp. Mine is starting to get a cool patina, almost bronze. I mainly cut up apples with this knife. Please pardon the cell phone pic:

[Holland]

id be all over this, preferably in a delica or dragonfly

[kennethsime]

Honestly, it seems to me like white steel is ok, but the primary reason to use it is that it's cheaper than blue steel. It's doesn't hold an edge as well, but is more brittle (if I'm not mistaken).

I would prefer to see more Aogami, but might try a Shirogami mule.

[razorsharp]

Honestly, it seems to me like white steel is ok, but the primary reason to use it is that it's cheaper than blue steel. It's doesn't hold an edge as well, but is more brittle (if I'm not mistaken).

I would prefer to see more Aogami, but might try a Shirogami mule.

shiro is good for those who are darksider sharpeners

[Cliff Stamp]

Honestly, it seems to me like white steel is ok, but the primary reason to use it is that it's cheaper than blue steel. It's doesn't hold an edge as well, but is more brittle (if I'm not mistaken).

Why people prefer one steel over the other is held to a lot of subjective opinion, and some arguments that often lead to mysticism. Murray Carter has a video where he argues basically that white steel is superior for those who are masters of the craft : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWIKDlWhW0o .

In terms of properties :

-neither are tough steels in any sense of the word
-white steel has a higher edge stability
-blue steel has a higher wear resistance
-blue steel is more forgiving to less than ideal HT
-blue steel has a stronger resistance to oxidization (but still low)

[sal]

Hi Apophis,

Welcome to our forum.

Hi Einstein,

I guess I'll watch the thread and see desires.

sal

[Commendatore]

A Mule in any steel is tempting, wide range user "testing" different flavors is a possible benefit of the program. Having a selection of traditionally used cutlery steel to compare to new, high-grade, exotic ones could support this.

A little off topic: A thread comparing different Mules` performance, if existing, slipped my attention so far.

[Ferris Wheels]

I would really like to see a value line folder in the Shirogami white steel. Maybe a UKPK? If you could get this steel into a price point under $50.00 street price I think it would have a very loyal following. My ideal knife for this steel would be a FFG Delica.

[kennethsime]

Why people prefer one steel over the other is held to a lot of subjective opinion, and some arguments that often lead to mysticism. Murray Carter has a video where he argues basically that white steel is superior for those who are masters of the craft : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWIKDlWhW0o .

In terms of properties :

-neither are tough steels in any sense of the word
-white steel has a higher edge stability
-blue steel has a higher wear resistance
-blue steel is more forgiving to less than ideal HT
-blue steel has a stronger resistance to oxidization (but still low)

Interesting. Watching the video, I'd bet Spyderco could pull off a white steel knife, although it sounds like quality control would be a pain in the rear, and that the price point would have to be fairly high if only a few people could work on the blades.

Would it still be accurate to say that an off-the-shelf hand-made japanese kitchen knife from (for example) the Japanese Woodworkers' catalog in blue steel would have superior edge retention and toughness than their white steel counterparts?

[The Mastiff]

I like non stainless steels but this will be one oif the rustyist steels Spyderco could pick to work on. It is about as pure a steel as you can find though. Without the tungsten the heat treat has to be pretty precise. Without the small abounts of chrome in many tool steels it doesn't deep harden just like W2. Despite the lower elements you would think would raise the price for steels this is pretty expensive. It is very pure, and made to exacting standards using Virgin Iron, etc. So I heard anyway. The corrosion would cause more measures to be taken than even the 52100, and Super blue did for the mule team.

I'd think W2 would be a bit more practical though admittedly it isn't YSS White paper steel.

Joe

[Srg. Trollski]

I heard it is more wear resistant than k390

[The Mastiff]

I heard it is more wear resistant than k390

And you heard this from?

[Clip]

And you heard this from?

Same sheet with his SM-35M50 information I'm guessing.

I honestly don't know where people get the time to waste trolling. Wish I had those extra resources.

[VG-10]

I would really like to have a Shirogami Mule to go along with my Aogami Mule. I enjoy using Hitachi's carbon steel for daily cutting tasks as well as skinning game. I would like to see a Shirogami Kiwi4, that would be awesome!

[captnvegtble]

How about one of those Spyderco kitchen knives with white steel or super blue?

[Holland]

id be very happy if they were superblue, but i dont see them using a non stainless steel

[steelrat]

I have several kitchen knives in Aogami and Shirogami. I use them on a regular basis and don't have any rust issues. Of course I always wipe them dry and apply a drop of oil after using them...

Shirogami is very easy to sharpen and it gets really scary sharp. What a joy to use the steel in the kitchen... But I don't notice a significant difference between Aogami and Shirogami... And yes, Shirogami is very brittle...

Maybe we could see Sirogami in a laminated sandwich (stainless outer) like the Superblue... (Anyone has a pure Shirogami blade? All I have are laminated blades with soft iron)

I know that some people don't like the slightly irregular sandwich lines in the blade grind... For my part, I like it very much (more than any damascus)...

Take care,

Nico.

[twinboysdad]

pass. Rather see 1095 or 01, or any old school tool steel than a brittle import. I LOVE my SB E4 though, and have it in pocket as I type