Mushroom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 11:03 amThat’s a lot of virtue signaling. This is the can of worms I was trying to avoid. I expressed my opinion and I promise it was not personal towards you in any way. I genuinely don’t mean to be rude but this nitpicking of every word I say lately is getting a little out of hand.Wartstein wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:55 amMushroom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:23 amDing ding ding! We have a winner!!!Ramonade wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:45 amWE could always buy a Native chief and do this, too : https://messerforum.net/threads/spyderc ... ip.145705/
Unfortunately though, it’s just easier for people on here to tell Spyderco to invest resources into creating the knife they want opposed to them making a personal investment to get what they want. I don’t want to call it selfishness, because I know what kind of can of worms that will open but self-serving is not far off.
Commissioning the custom work to be done is exponentially less costly than it is for Spyderco to develop the new model.
The thing I don´t like about that imo pretty far off "self serving sentiment":
It could keep folks from discussing knives - folks who are just enthusiastic and interested in, musing about and sharing their passion about Spyderco here with joy.
Probably no need to say it, cause it is very obvious anyway that discussions like this are only a good thing for Spyderco, show that good people with their own minds think and care about the product, really use those, test those, enjoy design features and just share how they think those features could be used even further.
No one "tells" Spyderco what they should do - reading through this and other threads I don´t know how one could come to such a conclusion.
Again, it is obvious anyway what I mean, since Sal himself quite often stated how he enjoys and values inputs, and to learn about what people like to see and dream of when it comes to Spyderco.
At least some models or variant came to life right because people enthusiastically shared their thoughts (like wharncliff Delica, the Ayoob sprint...)
Or, as Michael Janich has put it: " like all things Spyderco, if you really want something, keep asking for it here". (viewtopic.php?p=1437159#p1437159)
So: Discussing Spyderco in any positive and creative way on a Spyderco forum is only speaking for the brand and their knives imo.
Let’s focus on modifying a Native Chief. It’s a solution that is available right now. Either done at home or by a skilled craftsmen but it can be done - the solution is currently available.
While this process could be costly for the end line user in either time or money, or both, it still pales in comparison to the investments and sacrifices Spyderco would have to make to bring it to market.
That leads me to question, why won’t you modify or have a Native Chief modified to achieve this goal?
I have no idea how anything in my post could be read as if I took anything "personal towards me" (??) and where the "virtue signaling" takes place, but I have no interest in discussing this any further (no offense meant, really not! )
To answer your question why I "won´t modify or have a Chief modified" [into a 3.5" Native]:
- Well... just for the same reasons that people were wishing for an in between Endura and Delica model, but made and designed by Spyderco (in THEIR high quality and with THEIR attention to detail and designed from scratch by THEM) - and not wanted to shorten an Endura themselves.
Finally we got the Endela!
- For the same reasons you like (I guess) that there´ll be a 15V Lil Native but before that probably never planned on asking a professional to make you a 15V blade for one of the Lil Natives you already have.
- For the same reasons some want smooth G10 right from the factory but not smooth out their textured G10 themselves.
This is just another of the many threads where folks who are passionate about Spyderco show and share their love for a particular design - only natural then that many will be like: "Man, this knife is so cool, I wish it also came in "rustproof"... or lighter... or larger but still small enough to be convenient to carry and be legal in more places"... but genuinely made by Spyderco.
I personally would certainly love to try a 3.5 Native, but probably not even keep it in the end.
The Native platform is great, but I still prefer an Endura or Stretch XL to a Chief - and a Delica to a Native 5. Would probably end up being the same with Endela / Stretch 1 compared to Native "3.5".
I just honestly (and of course subjectively!!) think there IS a gap in the Native lineup and that it would be a good move and success for Spyderco to make an already very popular knife (I guess) also in a very popular (I guess) size.
So I like to imagine and discuss and share this with folks who feel the same, that´s all.
Spyderco will (of course) do anyway what they consider to be the right move (also of course knowing much, much better than any of us what IS the right move), but I am 100% sure they like when people are so enthusiastic about their knives and enjoy them so much that they share thoughts and dreams on a forum.
And it might even have a slight influence on Spydercos considerations that they do!