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nerdlock wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 9:01 pm
Ka-Bar already on it...

https://www.knifecenter.com/series/ka-b ... rce-series

Looks like they went with a backlock and tanto on their folder. @doc Dan, they must have heard your thoughts since they don't have a detent-based lock here. :D
And we care about Ka-Bar because...? Spyderco has made NASA knives even though Case had made one.
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Micro gravity and sharpening swarf do not mix well. I'd say some fixed blade with a very long lasting edge and good toughness is called for. Magnacut & Vanax SC come to mind, but I really don't know how much corrosion resistance is needed. Maybe the Zoomer is already the right choice?
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JRinFL wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 7:32 am
Micro gravity and sharpening swarf do not mix well. I'd say some fixed blade with a very long lasting edge and good toughness is called for. Magnacut & Vanax SC come to mind, but I really don't know how much corrosion resistance is needed. Maybe the Zoomer is already the right choice?
Good point, having metal shavings floating around is no bueno. Tungsten carbide blade for sharp
No maintenance.
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Doc Dan wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 11:31 pm
nerdlock wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 9:01 pm
Ka-Bar already on it...

https://www.knifecenter.com/series/ka-b ... rce-series

Looks like they went with a backlock and tanto on their folder. @doc Dan, they must have heard your thoughts since they don't have a detent-based lock here. :D
And we care about Ka-Bar because...? Spyderco has made NASA knives even though Case had made one.
I believe I read that Kabar trademarked USSF marked knives even though they don't have a government contract for those knives currently.
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Are we talking about designing a knife for astronauts or for the US Space Force? The reason I ask is because the average US Space Force guardian is never going to launch into space. The majority of them work on terra firma operating satellites, analyzing data, or performing support functions.

If we are proposing a knife for the US Space Force, then perhaps a ClipiTool would be appropriate. It could have some standard tools like a knife blade, a screwdriver, a serrated strap cutter, and a bottle opener. Then give it a less common tool to set it apart. Maybe a small bit-driver for working on electronic equipment would be appropriate.

As for cosmetics, the US Space Force colors are dark blue and white. I would definitely steer clear of baby blue. I'm not sure what Ka-Bar was thinking when they picked that color.

I'm in the Air Force, but I'd still buy that. ;)
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araneae wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 9:52 pm
Doc Dan wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 11:31 pm
nerdlock wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 9:01 pm
Ka-Bar already on it...

https://www.knifecenter.com/series/ka-b ... rce-series

Looks like they went with a backlock and tanto on their folder. @doc Dan, they must have heard your thoughts since they don't have a detent-based lock here. :D
And we care about Ka-Bar because...? Spyderco has made NASA knives even though Case had made one.
I believe I read that Kabar trademarked USSF marked knives even though they don't have a government contract for those knives currently.
Netflix trademarked the name "Space Force". It's kinda not going well.
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nerdlock wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 9:01 pm
Ka-Bar already on it...

https://www.knifecenter.com/series/ka-b ... rce-series

Looks like they went with a backlock and tanto on their folder. @doc Dan, they must have heard your thoughts since they don't have a detent-based lock here. :D
Maybe they read this old thread.
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Kels73 wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 11:22 pm
Are we talking about designing a knife for astronauts or for the US Space Force? The reason I ask is because the average US Space Force guardian is never going to launch into space. The majority of them work on terra firma operating satellites, analyzing data, or performing support functions.

I would think broadly and not just astronauts. Why leave out everyone? That makes me think LC200N is the right steel as it will be good in any and all environments (except in an MRI machine).

As for the color, you are right about the blue. It should be the official color of blue or white, or both.
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Another knife Spyderco makes that could work is the Rockjumper. If that knife had a leaf blade or clip point then it could work nicely. It would perhaps need some non cobalt stainless steel. USSF blue or blue and white scales and we are set.

For a fixed blade I think the Aqua Salt is a good choice. Perhaps LC200N for a steel choice so that it could be had in PE and SE. H1 serrated is good, too. All they would need do in that case is change the handle and sheath colors.
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Most of the Guardians will indeed be earthbound for now.
But in the fullness of time,
their mission will inevitably lead them to the stars.

A utility knife, like the ClipiTool previously mentioned,
that could be operated one-handed wearing a glove,
might prove to be as handy as a pocket on a shirt.
But it is unlikely that any extraterrestrials
will need to be skinned or filleted.

However my friends, their is a far more serious matter.
the United Nations has proposed resolutions and treaties
to prevent the militarization of outer space, but they will not stand.

Our moon is tidally locked with the earth.
The same hemisphere of the moon always faces the earth.
That is strategic high ground if there ever was.

There may not be the technology today to take advantage of that
but there will be in the future.
When that day comes, Nations will fight for it.
A combat knife in space may not be that far fetched.
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I am wondering about a fixed blade with a magnet in the sheath to secure it in zero gravity. If there is a magnet on the knife and a lanyard that would be ideal. LC200N obviously because it was designed for space. The sheath needs a sharpener and a way of securing the metal dust (magnet again but a fluid would work as well but messy). I have a design in mind but I will hold on to that. They have the ability to print stuff in space with a 3d printer so that adds to the fun. They could print different grips and means of securing it.
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I'm curious. Why is everyone so concerned about corrosion resistence in space? No oxygen or water out there. Or are you worried about cutting up aliens with acid for blood?
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Hi Jack,

I think it's because LC was used by Nasa. But They used LC to make ball bearings, not edges. However, I have learned that ball bearing steels like 52100 or BG-42 usually make good blade steels because they have to be strong enough to handle the single point contact to which ball bearings are subjected.

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What would be the name of the series?
0 Gravity?
On a folder, phosphor bronze or bearings?
Knives for your grandkids to take to space, so all materials must be made to last generations.
LC200N is also good because of space food prep!
They will be growing their own space food. Too bad BBQ and space stations are not a good mix. :mad:
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The Guardian series.
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Doc Dan wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 11:45 pm
The Guardian series.



Probably run into some copyright issues, there's already a Guardian Tactical brand and the Bradford Guardian.


So many cool space names are already used. Spyderco Terran would be cool but Kershaw already did it.
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“Zero Gravity” has a nice ring to it if there is a name dispute for “Guardians”
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Just my two cents (and keeping in mind the Case M-1 space machete)

how about a light-blue/GITD handled, LC200N Schempp Rock ?

It's lighter than most knives of that size, rustproof, very multifunctional because of the grip.

+ going back on the scenario for which the Case was invented, in an emergency reentry scenario, if you end up in the tundra, desert or jungle, you'll have more of a chance.
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Not to beat a dead horse and then lead him to water, but
the Starmate series?

Capitalize on the early days, the heritage, the tradition,
and Spyderco's first collaboration with an outside knife maker, Bob Terzuola,
the father of the tactical folder, and carry on from there
with inspired, derivative and enhanced folders and fixed blades.
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sal wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 9:56 pm
Hi Jack,

I think it's because LC was used by Nasa. But They used LC to make ball bearings, not edges. However, I have learned that ball bearing steels like 52100 or BG-42 usually make good blade steels because they have to be strong enough to handle the single point contact to which ball bearings are subjected.

sal
how about a manix 2 salt in lc200n with a lc200n ball as a nod to it's origins?
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