I recently moved to Nevada and found out that the maximum blade length for a legally carried knife here is 2". I have a Spyderco Co-Pilot, and have just ordered an Almite Navigator IS CX02S and a Clipit Pegasus SP C61P - all meet this 2" requirement.
However, I am a big guy and I really miss the feel of a full-size handle.
Any plans to manufacure a carry knife with a full-size handle, but a "legal" 2" blade? I'm sure there's a market there, not just me.
BTW, good luck on your new forum!
Legal Carry
Gaijin - Welcome to the Spyderco forum. Where did you get your info on the legal blade length? Doesn't sound right to me. you may want to check the law yourself.
We not opposed to making what you are requisting if there is enough market. We can also grind down a blade to size for you. Like an Endura with a stubby 2 inch blade.
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We not opposed to making what you are requisting if there is enough market. We can also grind down a blade to size for you. Like an Endura with a stubby 2 inch blade.
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James Mattis
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<a href="http://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/99NRSInd ... ES">Nevada laws WRT knives</a> - I don't see any restriction on blade length, other than for "switchblades". It looks very similar to California law.
Although I usually agree with him, I must disagree with James on this one. Cops are usually (Not always) fairly well versed when it comes to criminal law. My limited knowlege of Nevada leads me to believe that if there were a limit on knife blade length that it would be in the form of a local ordinance. In virtually every part of the country municipalities have the right to pass their own local laws provided they don't trample the bill of rights and subject to other legal restrictions and approvals. For example, here in Mass. there is no state law against public drinking or public drunkeness. Most cities and towns however have some sort of public drinking or open container bylaw. So be cognizant that even without a state law, various and sundry items of which we are fond may indeed be illegal by local decree.
I still wouldn't call a lawyer for a burglar! :o)
I still wouldn't call a lawyer for a burglar! :o)
There are several different places you can go on the net to find municipal codes and local laws. Some good ones are:
www.municode.com
www.findlaw.com
www.spl.org/govpubs/municode.html and
www.lawresearch.com/v2/Codemun1.HTM
Edited by - cerulean on 7/25/00 9:09:45 PM
www.municode.com
www.findlaw.com
www.spl.org/govpubs/municode.html and
www.lawresearch.com/v2/Codemun1.HTM
Edited by - cerulean on 7/25/00 9:09:45 PM
Watch out for the local laws - city, county, etc. Here in Oregon the only thing I can find is no concealed carry of autos and the normal dirk dagger ice pick etc. clause. But when you look at the city code for Portland, they don't allow concealed carry of knives over 3.5 inches. Luckily it isn't too bad, not that I will ever obey. Another funny thing is that the city has its own assault weapon ban... Oh well. That's what I get for living in the city.
Sorry for adding this extra post but I'm just gonna comment that I do live in Nevada and I do have a Concealed Firearms Permit (CCW), I really think that 99% of LEO's would just ignore the fact you have a blade that is too long if you do posses a CCW.
The CCW does show you have had multiple backround checks and are a responsible citizen, I have been pulled over and the first thing I tell the officer is "I have a CCW and a legally concealed handgun on my belt", I offer my permit and gun registration card as I say it and have not even had a LEO tell me to take my gun off or have him pull me out of the car, so far they just write the ticket and go on their way. I do think if you guys live in a state that offers a CCW or CFP that you should go get it, it is a benefit some can't get in states such as CA or MA, it does show you are responsible and have a vested interest in protecting you and those around you. Thanks, Bob
The CCW does show you have had multiple backround checks and are a responsible citizen, I have been pulled over and the first thing I tell the officer is "I have a CCW and a legally concealed handgun on my belt", I offer my permit and gun registration card as I say it and have not even had a LEO tell me to take my gun off or have him pull me out of the car, so far they just write the ticket and go on their way. I do think if you guys live in a state that offers a CCW or CFP that you should go get it, it is a benefit some can't get in states such as CA or MA, it does show you are responsible and have a vested interest in protecting you and those around you. Thanks, Bob
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Hey gaijin :
Something to keep in mind with regards to laws as told to me by an attorney friend :
"Local laws are superceded by State laws, State laws are superceded by Federal laws.."
Blah, blah, blah....
What my observation has been is that LEO's
don't stop every John Q. Citizen to search for "weapons" ( this is not yet Soviet Amerika, but we're getting there! <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>) My
cousin, a retired cop, told me it's the "big
city, one cop" theory on the "beat" ; your
behavior is what causes you to be stopped
( yes even a traffic stop!) & usually searched, meaning, unless you're looking for trouble ( and you'll surely find it if it don't find you first!<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>) you should have no problem..but if you are stopped, the first thing the LEO does is check you with his computer to see if you have a "record" or "warrants" & if you do...well, but, if you don't, and your blade is a tad over the "limit", the worst that usually happens
is your blade gets "impounded"<img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> but that's not ALWAYS the case. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> Now this is wisdom coming from a 21yr veteran of a police force. Something to think about. <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
ATE <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Something to keep in mind with regards to laws as told to me by an attorney friend :
"Local laws are superceded by State laws, State laws are superceded by Federal laws.."
Blah, blah, blah....
What my observation has been is that LEO's
don't stop every John Q. Citizen to search for "weapons" ( this is not yet Soviet Amerika, but we're getting there! <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>) My
cousin, a retired cop, told me it's the "big
city, one cop" theory on the "beat" ; your
behavior is what causes you to be stopped
( yes even a traffic stop!) & usually searched, meaning, unless you're looking for trouble ( and you'll surely find it if it don't find you first!<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>) you should have no problem..but if you are stopped, the first thing the LEO does is check you with his computer to see if you have a "record" or "warrants" & if you do...well, but, if you don't, and your blade is a tad over the "limit", the worst that usually happens
is your blade gets "impounded"<img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> but that's not ALWAYS the case. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> Now this is wisdom coming from a 21yr veteran of a police force. Something to think about. <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
ATE <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
gaijin,
I know the trouble you have trying to find answers to what is legal and what is not. I'm in MN but the same issue of where to look abounds. It drives me nuts that it should be so hard to find out what is and what is not legal. And I am not real thrilled about having to pay a lawyer to tell me something I think every citizen should be able to easily look up, for free. Most of the above advise sounds real good.
Me I want to know what is legal more so that I know if I'm outside of the OK length. Mostly I'm going to carry the blade I think is appropriate for the situation. ATE is right cops have better things to do then stop and search everybody. Behave and the odds are strong that you'll never have to deal with cops in that way, even if you carry a knife all the time.
Please keep in mind my opinion is technically a no-no. (bad disclaimer, bad)
The length of our days and time of our death have been fated long ago.
I know the trouble you have trying to find answers to what is legal and what is not. I'm in MN but the same issue of where to look abounds. It drives me nuts that it should be so hard to find out what is and what is not legal. And I am not real thrilled about having to pay a lawyer to tell me something I think every citizen should be able to easily look up, for free. Most of the above advise sounds real good.
Me I want to know what is legal more so that I know if I'm outside of the OK length. Mostly I'm going to carry the blade I think is appropriate for the situation. ATE is right cops have better things to do then stop and search everybody. Behave and the odds are strong that you'll never have to deal with cops in that way, even if you carry a knife all the time.
Please keep in mind my opinion is technically a no-no. (bad disclaimer, bad)
The length of our days and time of our death have been fated long ago.
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Being from NJ, the law is so vague, if a cop has a Hard-on for you, He could bust you for owning a <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>cricket if he felt like it!!!<img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
BIG-TARGET>>>>"Three weeks from now I will be harvesting my crops, imagine where you will be...and it will be so. Hold the line, stay with me! If you find yourself alone, lying in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled...for you are in Elysium! And you’re already dead! What we do in life...echoes in eternity...” (Maximus)Gladiator
BIG-TARGET>>>>"Three weeks from now I will be harvesting my crops, imagine where you will be...and it will be so. Hold the line, stay with me! If you find yourself alone, lying in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled...for you are in Elysium! And you’re already dead! What we do in life...echoes in eternity...” (Maximus)Gladiator
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I don't understand not being able to find out about the statutes. The info should be readily available to anyone. You should be able to either go to the Library, or on line, and see what the State laws regarding knives are. Granted, some cities, like San Antonio, have municiple ordanances that are stricter than the state laws, but those ordanances are public information. If you think your city has such an ordanance, try calling the City Attorney's Office and ask about it. Here is an exerpt of the Texas law stating what is an illegal knife. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Linda
TITLE 10. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND MORALS
CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS
§ 46.01. Definitions
In this chapter:
(6) "Illegal knife" means a:
(A) knife with a blade over five and one-half inches;
(B) hand instrument designed to cut or stab another by being thrown;
(C) dagger, including but not limited to a dirk, stiletto, and poniard;
(D) bowie knife;
(E) sword; or
(F) spear.
(7) "Knife" means any bladed hand instrument that is capable of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by cutting or stabbing a person with the instrument.
(11) "Switchblade knife" means any knife that has a blade that folds, closes, or retracts into the handle or sheath, and that:
(A) opens automatically by pressure applied to a button or other device located on the handle; or
(B) opens or releases a blade from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or by the application of centrifugal force.
§ 46.02. Unlawful Carrying Weapons
(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his person a handgun, illegal knife, or club.
(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.
§ 46.03. Places Weapons Prohibited
(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;
(2) on the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or while early voting is in progress;
(3) in any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the court;
(4) on the premises of a racetrack;
(5) in or into a secured area of an airport; or
(6) within 1,000 feet of premises the location of which is designated by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice as a place of execution under Article 43.19, Code of Criminal Procedure, on a day that a sentence of death is set to be imposed on the designated premises and the person received notice that:
(A) going within 1,000 feet of the premises with a weapon listed under this subsection was prohibited; or
(B) possessing a weapon listed under this subsection within 1,000 feet of the premises was prohibited.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsections (a)(1)-(4) that the actor possessed a firearm while in the actual discharge of his official duties as a member of the armed forces or national guard or a guard employed by a penal institution, or an officer of the court.
(c) In this section:
(1) "Premises" has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035.
(2) "Secured area" means an area of an airport terminal building to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property under federal law.
(d) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(5) that the actor possessed a firearm or club while traveling to or from the actor's place of assignment or in the actual discharge of duties as:
(1) a member of the armed forces or national guard;
(2) a guard employed by a penal institution; or
(3) a security officer commissioned by the Texas Board of Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies if:
(A) the actor is wearing a distinctive uniform; and
(B) the firearm or club is in plain view; or
(4) Deleted by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 318, § 17, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
(5) a security officer who holds a personal protection authorization under the Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies Act (Article 4413(29bb), Vernon's Texas Civil Statutes).
(e) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(5) that the actor checked all firearms as baggage in accordance with federal or state law or regulations before entering a secured area.
(f) It is not a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor possessed a handgun and was licensed to carry a concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
(g) An offense under this section is a third degree felony.
(h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(4) that the actor possessed a firearm or club while traveling to or from the actor's place of assignment or in the actual discharge of duties as a security officer commissioned by the Texas Board of Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies, if:
(1) the actor is wearing a distinctive uniform; and
(2) the firearm or club is in plain view.
(i) It is an exception to the application of Subsection (a)(6) that the actor possessed a firearm or club:
(1) while in a vehicle being driven on a public road; or
(2) at the actor's residence or place of employment.
Edited by - glasshartt on 6/22/2002 2:16:52 PM
Linda
TITLE 10. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND MORALS
CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS
§ 46.01. Definitions
In this chapter:
(6) "Illegal knife" means a:
(A) knife with a blade over five and one-half inches;
(B) hand instrument designed to cut or stab another by being thrown;
(C) dagger, including but not limited to a dirk, stiletto, and poniard;
(D) bowie knife;
(E) sword; or
(F) spear.
(7) "Knife" means any bladed hand instrument that is capable of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by cutting or stabbing a person with the instrument.
(11) "Switchblade knife" means any knife that has a blade that folds, closes, or retracts into the handle or sheath, and that:
(A) opens automatically by pressure applied to a button or other device located on the handle; or
(B) opens or releases a blade from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or by the application of centrifugal force.
§ 46.02. Unlawful Carrying Weapons
(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his person a handgun, illegal knife, or club.
(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.
§ 46.03. Places Weapons Prohibited
(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;
(2) on the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or while early voting is in progress;
(3) in any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the court;
(4) on the premises of a racetrack;
(5) in or into a secured area of an airport; or
(6) within 1,000 feet of premises the location of which is designated by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice as a place of execution under Article 43.19, Code of Criminal Procedure, on a day that a sentence of death is set to be imposed on the designated premises and the person received notice that:
(A) going within 1,000 feet of the premises with a weapon listed under this subsection was prohibited; or
(B) possessing a weapon listed under this subsection within 1,000 feet of the premises was prohibited.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsections (a)(1)-(4) that the actor possessed a firearm while in the actual discharge of his official duties as a member of the armed forces or national guard or a guard employed by a penal institution, or an officer of the court.
(c) In this section:
(1) "Premises" has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035.
(2) "Secured area" means an area of an airport terminal building to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property under federal law.
(d) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(5) that the actor possessed a firearm or club while traveling to or from the actor's place of assignment or in the actual discharge of duties as:
(1) a member of the armed forces or national guard;
(2) a guard employed by a penal institution; or
(3) a security officer commissioned by the Texas Board of Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies if:
(A) the actor is wearing a distinctive uniform; and
(B) the firearm or club is in plain view; or
(4) Deleted by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 318, § 17, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
(5) a security officer who holds a personal protection authorization under the Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies Act (Article 4413(29bb), Vernon's Texas Civil Statutes).
(e) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(5) that the actor checked all firearms as baggage in accordance with federal or state law or regulations before entering a secured area.
(f) It is not a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor possessed a handgun and was licensed to carry a concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
(g) An offense under this section is a third degree felony.
(h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(4) that the actor possessed a firearm or club while traveling to or from the actor's place of assignment or in the actual discharge of duties as a security officer commissioned by the Texas Board of Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies, if:
(1) the actor is wearing a distinctive uniform; and
(2) the firearm or club is in plain view.
(i) It is an exception to the application of Subsection (a)(6) that the actor possessed a firearm or club:
(1) while in a vehicle being driven on a public road; or
(2) at the actor's residence or place of employment.
Edited by - glasshartt on 6/22/2002 2:16:52 PM
Linda,
I have gone to the library and looked through the ordinances (that is were my search started). I was initially try to find out the legality of wearing a sword for a wedding. (A wedding I was in everybody was going to wear swords {Cold Steel Mag. Tantos really}) I couldn't find anything under weapons that even seemed to mention knives, blades, swords, daggers, dirks, etc. I did find out that exploding garbage cans are a strick No-No. I'm not quite sure if that means there really are no laws against knives or not.
The length of our days and time of our death have been fated long ago.
I have gone to the library and looked through the ordinances (that is were my search started). I was initially try to find out the legality of wearing a sword for a wedding. (A wedding I was in everybody was going to wear swords {Cold Steel Mag. Tantos really}) I couldn't find anything under weapons that even seemed to mention knives, blades, swords, daggers, dirks, etc. I did find out that exploding garbage cans are a strick No-No. I'm not quite sure if that means there really are no laws against knives or not.
The length of our days and time of our death have been fated long ago.
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ZW,
From what I could find, under MN statute 624.61, you could wear swords as part of a social organization. I think that a wedding party could qualify as a social organization. Under MN statute 609.66, the only illegal knives are switchblades and auto openers. I hope that this helps.
Linda
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From what I could find, under MN statute 624.61, you could wear swords as part of a social organization. I think that a wedding party could qualify as a social organization. Under MN statute 609.66, the only illegal knives are switchblades and auto openers. I hope that this helps.
Linda
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