The SE mentality shift

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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby knivesandbooks » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:13 pm

I'd buy a Dyad right away.
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby 500Nitro » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:41 am

Bit surprised at the price of the dyad's
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby ABX2011 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:52 am

I think you SE lovers have convinced me to give FFG serrations a try. I'm leaning toward the Delica wharny.

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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby T-1000 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:44 am

FFG with serrations never appealed to me but judging how well SE cuts on my saber ground endura I am getting curious as well..

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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby Evil D » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:58 am

500Nitro wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:41 am
Bit surprised at the price of the dyad's
You have to see it as buying two knives, or at least a knife and a half. Sal has said a Dyad Salt would be so expensive nobody would buy it.
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby Evil D » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:00 am

ABX2011 wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:52 am
I think you SE lovers have convinced me to give FFG serrations a try. I'm leaning toward the Delica wharny.

T-1000 wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:44 am
FFG with serrations never appealed to me but judging how well SE cuts on my saber ground endura I am getting curious as well..

The difference is basically the same as with PE. Better blade grind geometry means better slicing regardless of what edge type it has.
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby JD Spydo » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:28 am

500Nitro wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:42 pm
I'll be in on a redesigned Dyad.

It's down my list at the moment but
Definitely on it.
That's really interesting that so many of you guys from "down under" like the Dyad. Because your fellow Aussie "O just O" is a big Dyad fan along with two other guys I've talked to from Australia :) With the wild outback environment down there the Dyad just makes great sense.

Also there probably isn't a place on the entire planet where the Spyderedge would be more beneficial than it would be in Australia. I'm also sure that many jungle type environments would make Spyderedges a necessity as well. Here in Missouri USA where I reside we have a lot of hardwood forests ( like the Ozarks) where a Spyderedged blade is also necessitiy IMO.

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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby kernelpanic » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:34 am

Ive never been a fan of SE. Most of what I use a knife for is general cutting around the house, camp use (food prep, string cutting, whittling etc) and cutting wood.
For me a Plain edge is best for this and sharpening in the field for me is easier with a plain edge.
But I have to be honest the only serrated edge knives ive used were Gerber and I was never impressed. I might have to try a Spyderco SE before making any definite final judgement.
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby Donut » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:06 am

Evil D wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:04 pm
What is it that's different? I have a Military I believe from around 2009 and the serrations are very large/deep compared to some other blades but it still gets the job done.
I think the old serrations, the small scallops were deeper. The angles made it easier for small stuff to get stuck in them.

People mention serrations being good for plastic straps and zip ties. I worry some that I could chip the blade on something like that or break of one of the small points.
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby curlyhairedboy » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:59 am

The relative grippiness of a SE blade is one of its best qualities.

I need to track down a Pac Salt one of these days...
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby Doc Dan » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:52 am

There are times when I really prefer a serrated edge, but I am not convinced that it is the way to go for everyday use. However, I will admit I could be wrong. I actually like 50/50 PE/SE quite a lot, however.
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby SpyderScout » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:29 am

Evil D wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:39 am

Cliff Notes: SE is the shih tzu and I'm seriously considering not buying anymore PE knives in the future.

A few years ago some of you might remember a thread I made about carrying nothing but SE for 6 months. Back then I didn't even own a Sharpmaker, and part of my goal with that journey was to force myself to figure out how to get repeatable results in sharpening SE, because I saw potential that I was missing out on due to my inability to keep them as sharp as my PE (and ultimately I believe this applies to nearly everyone and is maybe the biggest reason more people don't use SE).

Over the course of that 6 months I figured out how to use a Dremel to strop SE, but it didn't end with me really loving SE and with the exception of my Dragonfly Salt I continued buying and using only PE knives. It wasn't until I got a Sharpmaker and learned how sharpen SE with it and then bought and started carrying my Autonomy that I really came around to actually preferring SE over PE.

Now when I go to cut something, there is an immediate expectation that I've never experienced before, I expect the edge to bite in and grab the material I'm cutting, I expect it to be very aggressive and I expect whatever I'm cutting to separate in a hurry, and it does. When I go back to carrying PE, it is immediately apparent that this action is different and I really don't like it. I've come to expect this so much so, that I practically have no interest in carrying anything PE anymore and that really has me kind of shocked to be honest. The best way I can describe it is "positive snagging"...because it's definitely a grabby kind of feeling like a snag, but instead of that abrupt snag/stop/rip feeling there's a bit of resistance and then the blade just goes through whatever you're cutting. This is 100% dependent on how sharp the edge is.
Spyderco serrations are awesome...

.... but I take it you are not a hunter?
Honest question, as I couldnt get by with only SE knives as a hunter.
You presumably have a bunch of PE knives and may use them for that purpose.


As for snagging, I seem to remember Mr. Janich posting, that he preferred PE as SE might grab/snag clothing-like materials and skate along what ever one might be trying to cut/slice. Hazy on the details though.

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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby 500Nitro » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:52 am

T-1000 wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:44 am
FFG with serrations never appealed to me but judging how well SE cuts on my saber ground endura I am getting curious as well..
That makes two of us.

I have a few others to buy on my list first but it is something I want to do.
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby Evil D » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:55 am

SpyderScout wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:29 am

Spyderco serrations are awesome...

.... but I take it you are not a hunter?
Honest question, as I couldnt get by with only SE knives as a hunter.
You presumably have a bunch of PE knives and may use them for that purpose.


As for snagging, I seem to remember Mr. Janich posting, that he preferred PE as SE might grab/snag clothing-like materials and skate along what ever one might be trying to cut/slice. Hazy on the details though.

Not since about 30 years ago lol. I haven't hunted since I was a kid so skinning and such aren't in my list of needs, but I still 100% prefer PE for outdoor stuff, camping and such. I kinda figured that was a given but maybe not. There are surprisingly a few uses I've found for SE when camping though. I wouldn't trade SE for a good machete but they still really excel at cutting vines and foliage and they're pretty good for making feather sticks. When it comes to camping and outdoorsy stuff (excluding yard work) I'm still firmly in the PE camp but I'd still have some kind of SE on me.

Also I believe you're spot on with the Janich/SE thing. That grabbiness can be a bad thing for self defense, which is ironic given that the Civilian is usually SE.
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby Evil D » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:55 am

Those of you who are curious about FFG/SE may want to look at the Tenacious. It's probably my next purchase and will be a cheap way to try out the combo.
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby 500Nitro » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:03 pm

Donut wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:06 am
Evil D wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:04 pm
What is it that's different? I have a Military I believe from around 2009 and the serrations are very large/deep compared to some other blades but it still gets the job done.
I think the old serrations, the small scallops were deeper. The angles made it easier for small stuff to get stuck in them.

People mention serrations being good for plastic straps and zip ties. I worry some that I could chip the blade on something like that or break of one of the small points.
My old Endura 1 (early 90's Aus-8) has done a fair bit of cutting everything and never even hinted at that (chipping, breaking a point).
I'm looking forward to trying out a new Pacific Salt in H1 and a few others.

With Plastic straps and Zip Ties, even a "not as sharp as it could be" serrations cuts them easily because once you apply
a little tension or force the plastic engages one of the curved edges and they are always sharp and it's cut.
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby SpyderScout » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:23 pm

Evil D wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:55 am
SpyderScout wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:29 am

Spyderco serrations are awesome...

.... but I take it you are not a hunter?
Honest question, as I couldnt get by with only SE knives as a hunter.
You presumably have a bunch of PE knives and may use them for that purpose.


As for snagging, I seem to remember Mr. Janich posting, that he preferred PE as SE might grab/snag clothing-like materials and skate along what ever one might be trying to cut/slice. Hazy on the details though.

Not since about 30 years ago lol. I haven't hunted since I was a kid so skinning and such aren't in my list of needs, but I still 100% prefer PE for outdoor stuff, camping and such. I kinda figured that was a given but maybe not. There are surprisingly a few uses I've found for SE when camping though. I wouldn't trade SE for a good machete but they still really excel at cutting vines and foliage and they're pretty good for making feather sticks. When it comes to camping and outdoorsy stuff (excluding yard work) I'm still firmly in the PE camp but I'd still have some kind of SE on me.

Also I believe you're spot on with the Janich/SE thing. That grabbiness can be a bad thing for self defense, which is ironic given that the Civilian is usually SE.
Got ya.
Well, your stock of PE blades was inherent in you 'not buying any more PE knives.' I figured, it was something like that.


As for the Civilian; I dont own one but I dont doubt, that its scary effective for its intended (niche) purpose.
The 'hook' of the Civilian is of course a far cry from the blades, which Ive seen MJ post about - Endura, Yojimbo, Kahr Delica et al. Very different styles of blades and two different schools of SD.

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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby MichaelScott » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:24 pm

A few weeks ago two members got together and send me a Salt DF2, SE Hawkbill. I’d never had H1, SE or a Hawkbill knife. Probably why they chose it. After reading this topic I am now carrying it and a small PE knife. Why? I assumed that a SE blade, especially a hawkbill would not cut as cleanly or precisely as my similarly sized PE blade. So I experimented on an innocent piece of notebook paper.

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Case not closed but I plan to use the SE on anything that needs to be cut and see how that goes.
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby Jazz » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:19 pm

sal wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:21 pm

I'm certainly biased, but I still think we make the best teeth and have the bet ways to maintain them.

I just received a sample of a warnie serrated salt 2. (Jazzed). What a cutting machine!

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I agree that you do, and you do.

As for the knife, I think I need one. :cool: I've been carrying a SE Salt 2 for quite a while now.
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Re: The SE mentality shift

Postby Ngati Pom » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:31 pm

MichaelScott wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:24 pm
A few weeks ago two members got together and send me a Salt DF2, SE Hawkbill. I’d never had H1, SE or a Hawkbill knife. Probably why they chose it. After reading this topic I am now carrying it and a small PE knife. Why? I assumed that a SE blade, especially a hawkbill would not cut as cleanly or precisely as my similarly sized PE blade. So I experimented on an innocent piece of notebook paper.

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Case not closed but I plan to use the SE on anything that needs to be cut and see how that goes.
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