Would you really want LC200N in a non-Salt knife?

[ladybug93]

I'd like a Military with a LC200N blade since I've had quite a bit of corrosion on S30V while sailing. No issues with the hardware, but ideally that would be adjusted to have better corrosion resistance too so I could treat it almost as badly as I do my Salts :D

Are you sure its not a reaction between the blade steel and the hardware, and the rust coming from the hardware? While I havent used my PM2 S30V in or on salt water, I live in a coastal enviroment. The blade is not giving issue but the hardware is.

It's ocean sailing so we get drenched by waves at times. It's only on the blade and nothing on the hardware so I'd say it's the blade steel. It's also located evenly on the blade and not concentrated around the pivot which I would expect if it was affected by the liners and screws.

i cleaned up a manix xl for a friend of mine that was accidentally taken into the ocean. there was definitely plenty of rust on the blade and hardware. it cleaned up very nicely, but it would be nicer not to have to worry about it.

[husq2100]

I'd like a Military with a LC200N blade since I've had quite a bit of corrosion on S30V while sailing. No issues with the hardware, but ideally that would be adjusted to have better corrosion resistance too so I could treat it almost as badly as I do my Salts :D

Are you sure its not a reaction between the blade steel and the hardware, and the rust coming from the hardware? While I havent used my PM2 S30V in or on salt water, I live in a coastal enviroment. The blade is not giving issue but the hardware is.

It's ocean sailing so we get drenched by waves at times. It's only on the blade and nothing on the hardware so I'd say it's the blade steel. It's also located evenly on the blade and not concentrated around the pivot which I would expect if it was affected by the liners and screws.

This is interesting.

As I understand it, S30V is a form of stainless steel. While it is not 100% Stainless, It is my understanding that stainless steels tend to make dis simliar steels of lesser corrosion resistance react/corrode/rust when in contact with them. Given the blade is in contact with hardware at the pivot end , and that the pivot end is going to trap moisture and salt in it much more than the main body of the blade, it seems to me weird the blade itself is rusting and not the pivot/stop pin/ hardware :confused:

[Surfingringo]

I'd like a Military with a LC200N blade since I've had quite a bit of corrosion on S30V while sailing. No issues with the hardware, but ideally that would be adjusted to have better corrosion resistance too so I could treat it almost as badly as I do my Salts :D

Are you sure its not a reaction between the blade steel and the hardware, and the rust coming from the hardware? While I havent used my PM2 S30V in or on salt water, I live in a coastal enviroment. The blade is not giving issue but the hardware is.

It's ocean sailing so we get drenched by waves at times. It's only on the blade and nothing on the hardware so I'd say it's the blade steel. It's also located evenly on the blade and not concentrated around the pivot which I would expect if it was affected by the liners and screws.

This is interesting.

As I understand it, S30V is a form of stainless steel. While it is not 100% Stainless, It is my understanding that stainless steels tend to make dis simliar steels of lesser corrosion resistance react/corrode/rust when in contact with them. Given the blade is in contact with hardware at the pivot end , and that the pivot end is going to trap moisture and salt in it much more than the main body of the blade, it seems to me weird the blade itself is rusting and not the pivot/stop pin/ hardware :confused:

The hardware is far more corrosion resistant than the s30v blade steel.

[Evil D]

It would be a really interesting world if all of the "base model" knives came in a rust proof steel AND were essentially Salt models that also had rust proof hardware. In other words everything built like a Caribbean...

[The Deacon]

From what I've read, LC200N can be full flat ground and holds a plain edge better than H-1. Assuming those things are true, then since I don't consider the Autonomy to be a "Salt series knife", I'd be very interested in an LC200N Autonomy with a FFG plain edged blade.

[Surfingringo]

From what I've read, LC200N can be full flat ground and holds a plain edge better than H-1. Assuming those things are true, then since I don't consider the Autonomy to be a "Salt series knife", I'd be very interested in an LC200N Autonomy with a FFG plain edged blade.

It should be out soon. I’ll definitely be getting one!

[Spyderman91]

I really like the potential of LC200N, it is practically impervious to anything but is susceptible to galvanic corrosion with contact from certain other metals. I am really excited to see what they do with it, I picked up the Spydiechef after waiting on the new shipment for what seemed like forever.
Excellent stuff, can't go wrong with a full rustproof knife, but to answer your question I think it would boil down to cost.

Making a non salt knife folder with LC200N versus, the classic s30v and g10 would it really be worth it.. I haven't done enough testing personally to see if LC200N holds an edge longer than S30V... but I'm working on it :) I just think the concept of a Nitrogen steel is very interesting, and opens the door for other creative alloys to be marketed.

[Pelagic]

I'd be more interested in H1 in a non-salt knife for toughness.

[Bodog]

I'd be more interested in H1 in a non-salt knife for toughness.

Whoa whoa whoa, lol. I can compromise to balance price vs performance in a lot of these new steels but i couldn't see myself being happy with H1 in plain edge as a baseline steel for edc. Would AEBL at 62 RC satisfy your craving for stainless toughness that still holds some sharpness with a plain edge?

[The Deacon]

From what I've read, LC200N can be full flat ground and holds a plain edge better than H-1. Assuming those things are true, then since I don't consider the Autonomy to be a "Salt series knife", I'd be very interested in an LC200N Autonomy with a FFG plain edged blade.

It should be out soon. I’ll definitely be getting one!

That's great news. Knew there was a PE FFG Autonomy 2 in LC200N in the works, but had no idea there were plans to do the same with the Autonomy itself. :)

[Surfingringo]

From what I've read, LC200N can be full flat ground and holds a plain edge better than H-1. Assuming those things are true, then since I don't consider the Autonomy to be a "Salt series knife", I'd be very interested in an LC200N Autonomy with a FFG plain edged blade.

It should be out soon. I’ll definitely be getting one!

That's great news. Knew there was a PE FFG Autonomy 2 in LC200N in the works, but had no idea there were plans to do the same with the Autonomy itself. :)

I’m sorry, Paul, I think I misunderstood. When you said “autonomy” I thought you were simply referring to the series of automatic knives. I was talking about the autonomy 2 coming out soon. I don’t think there is a pe version of the original autonomy in the works...at least not to my knowledge.

[Pelagic]

I'd be more interested in H1 in a non-salt knife for toughness.

Whoa whoa whoa, lol. I can compromise to balance price vs performance in a lot of these new steels but i couldn't see myself being happy with H1 in plain edge as a baseline steel for edc. Would AEBL at 62 RC satisfy your craving for stainless toughness that still holds some sharpness with a plain edge?

Lol. Hey buddy, that's just me. When you work on a steel barge covered in steel equipment that's constantly rocking from whatever inlet it's currently in, its hard not to appreciate a forgiving blade. I have no intention of being hard on folders, but in this environment, stuff happens.

[The Deacon]

I’m sorry, Paul, I think I misunderstood. When you said “autonomy” I thought you were simply referring to the series of automatic knives. I was talking about the autonomy 2 coming out soon. I don’t think there is a pe version of the original autonomy in the works...at least not to my knowledge.

Thought that might be the case. Hoped I was wrong. Bummer. Which is not to say I'm not excited about the Autonomy 2. It's just that, aside from the oversize firing button and cassette spring, they're totally different knives.

[awa54]

Interesting to see the split developing here... Seems like there is a substantial camp who would value corrosion resistance over wear resistance in *all* Spydercos, not just a limited line of Salt models.

Personally I wouldn't want to go back to an average edge retention that's comparable to 8Cr13MoV/AUS8 now that I have adapted to the better edge holding that mid to high carbide stainless offers. Sure the Spyderco line would still be great knives, but I don't value corrosion resistance enough to take a step backward in other ways to get *even more* of it.

Then again, LC200N may just be "all that"... I guess it's time to try an LC200N Spydie myself!

[TomAiello]

I'd prefer to see the LC200N in fully "salt" models.

Speaking of which, where is the Native LW Salt?

I'd also love to have a Manix 2 LW Salt.

[Bodog]

I'd prefer to see the LC200N in fully "salt" models.

Why limit LC200N to salt models only? Exclusivity? I don't understand that mentality.

[ladybug93]

Interesting to see the split developing here... Seems like there is a substantial camp who would value corrosion resistance over wear resistance in *all* Spydercos, not just a limited line of Salt models.

Personally I wouldn't want to go back to an average edge retention that's comparable to 8Cr13MoV/AUS8 now that I have adapted to the better edge holding that mid to high carbide stainless offers. Sure the Spyderco line would still be great knives, but I don't value corrosion resistance enough to take a step backward in other ways to get *even more* of it.

Then again, LC200N may just be "all that"... I guess it's time to try an LC200N Spydie myself!

it’s my understanding that lc200n has edge retention in the range of s30v and xhp. is that not correct?

[ladybug93]

I'd prefer to see the LC200N in fully "salt" models.

Why limit LC200N to salt models only? Exclusivity? I don't understand that mentality.

probably because it will still rust against other metals, so for the full corrosion resistance benefits, the rest of the knife would have to play nice as well.

[Evil D]

I’m sorry, Paul, I think I misunderstood. When you said “autonomy” I thought you were simply referring to the series of automatic knives. I was talking about the autonomy 2 coming out soon. I don’t think there is a pe version of the original autonomy in the works...at least not to my knowledge.

Thought that might be the case. Hoped I was wrong. Bummer. Which is not to say I'm not excited about the Autonomy 2. It's just that, aside from the oversize firing button and cassette spring, they're totally different knives.

I too would have been happier with a simple PE version of the original Autonomy but I'm definitely going to check out the new version, if for no other reason than how much I like the lock and opening action.

[SF Native]

Are the tusk and spyder chef considered salts? They use this steel and seem to not have a problem.
I like this steel and would like it for edc. I could cut things in my lunch for instance, wash the blade, and not worry about water still in the pivot. Don’t think that needs to be a full salt knife.
I would really like to see the catra results compared to s30v and xhp. I don’t think it’s quite at their level. I want numbers.