Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby samdasnake » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:04 pm

SpyderScout wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:55 pm
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Quite like that one.

RH only wire clip, coyote brown FRN and its good to go in my book. :spyder: instead of maple leaf as well, pls :D
I really love this design!!

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby 5-by-5 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:07 pm

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I know Sal loves the ethnic series as much as I do.

The Khyber. Rookie size Spydie hole, Junior style pivot, comp lock, 3.6" blade.. O5" max thickness blade to the spine flair.

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Alot of the ethnics have bolsters. I notice most khybers have metal bolsters. A Ti bolster like the Navaja would look great.

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby jasonstone20 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:34 pm

Thinking about this some more, I would want a knife with a handle like an Opinel or Mora Classic made out of G10 or Micarta with a Schempp cant, a liner, compression, or mid-lock locking system, and a blade like the Lum Tanto or Gayle Bradley. Steel would be AEB-L/14C28N/Nitro-V/CTS BD1N for stainless and M4 for nonstainless.

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby Ngati Pom » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:13 am

jasonstone20 wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:34 pm
Thinking about this some more, I would want a knife with a handle like an Opinel or Mora Classic made out of G10 or Micarta with a Schempp cant, a liner, compression, or mid-lock locking system, and a blade like the Lum Tanto or Gayle Bradley. Steel would be AEB-L/14C28N/Nitro-V/CTS BD1N for stainless and M4 for nonstainless.
+1 on this. A rounded handle that is slightly indexed to fit your grip would be nice.
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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby sal » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:16 am

Hi Jason,

Would you please explain your "thinking" on this concept? Why?

sal

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby VashHash » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:14 pm

500Nitro wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:31 pm

Some people (probably a lot / most) wouldn't buy a Spydie edge. Only the "educated/initiated would buy SE.
Practicality and serrations, powerful agents to the uninitiated, but we are initiated aren't we? Members of the league of spyderco.

I couldn't resist.

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby samdasnake » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:29 pm

samdasnake wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:04 pm
SpyderScout wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:55 pm
Jazz wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:00 am

Image
Quite like that one.

RH only wire clip, coyote brown FRN and its good to go in my book. :spyder: instead of maple leaf as well, pls :D
I really love this design!!
I really love this beautiful design. The blade shape is great and the design is otherwise simple. I agree with F Re N and wire clip. I'd buy it!

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby Crux » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:57 pm

How about a Para 3 with a smaller lanyard hole and the clip mounted at the end? :)
Can you find it and can it cut? :eek:

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby Tims » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:03 am

I’m just going to pop my head in and show my support for the high hollow grind idea. Thin, high and hollow. As thin, high and hollow as the team at Spyderco deem reliable from a warranty stand point.

Now I’m here, I’ll also add that I would love to see some neutral handle ergos. I’m a huge fan of forward finger choils. In the absence of those however, I prefer a neutral handle design. Some might argue that they can’t achieve a positive grip on a neutral handle but I strongly disagree. I would actually love to hear Sals thoughts on neutral ergos. If anyone can put to market a good neutral handle folder it’s Sal, Eric and the team.

Somebody mentioned blade cant and I back that 100%. Doesn’t have to be extreme, what you see on the Endura is enough. The increased cutting power and cutting comfort from a positive blade cant is amazing. The further you go in the opposite direction ie negative cant, the worse it starts to feel.

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby razorsharp » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:16 am

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby razorsharp » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:20 am

Image A refinement of either of these would be kinda cool

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby Ruudr » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:31 am

razorsharp wrote:
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I would buy that! Nicely drawed!

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby sal » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:56 am

Tims wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:03 am
I’m just going to pop my head in and show my support for the high hollow grind idea. Thin, high and hollow. As thin, high and hollow as the team at Spyderco deem reliable from a warranty stand point.

Now I’m here, I’ll also add that I would love to see some neutral handle ergos. I’m a huge fan of forward finger choils. In the absence of those however, I prefer a neutral handle design. Some might argue that they can’t achieve a positive grip on a neutral handle but I strongly disagree. I would actually love to hear Sals thoughts on neutral ergos. If anyone can put to market a good neutral handle folder it’s Sal, Eric and the team.

Somebody mentioned blade cant and I back that 100%. Doesn’t have to be extreme, what you see on the Endura is enough. The increased cutting power and cutting comfort from a positive blade cant is amazing. The further you go in the opposite direction ie negative cant, the worse it starts to feel.
Hi Tims,

So what are you calling neutral, negative and positive angles?

sal

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby steelcity16 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:33 am

Here's my super original design. I would take a Chap LW, change the FRN color to Yellow, change the steel to LC200N, and make the hardware Salt worthy. :)
Wishing for in 2019: Native, Native LW, and CQI Military in 3V and CRUWEAR, Military Salt in Day glow yellow G10 with H1 SE and LC200N PE, Blacked out Native Salts and Dfly2 Salts, Chaparral LW Salt in H1 SE and LC200N PE, Jester Salts in H1 SE and PE with GITD FRN scales, Native Salt sprint with a Vanax blade and GITD scales.

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby jasonstone20 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:37 am

sal wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:16 am
Hi Jason,

Would you please explain your "thinking" on this concept? Why?

sal
Sal,
Sure. A blade that will have high performance in cutting. Thin behind the edge, doesn't have to have not very thin stock, high edge angle (closer to a zero grind). A round, larger handle with either a palm swell shape or a more neutral oval Mora Classic type handle (kind of like the Spyderco Street Beat or Spyderco Moran, but a in a slightly small folder size) for hard use and maximum ergonomics in multiple grip positions. Similar reason with the Ed Schempp negative blade rake to increase both ergonomics, cutting power and cutting efficiency. Fred Perrin style finger indexing cutout. No blade guard, blade termination like a Benchmade Griptillian Sheepsfoot blade. G10 or Micarta for grip when wet. Full height hollow grind, opening hole. Either style of blade, like the Gayle Bradley or Lum Tanto for EDC use, hard use cutting, and opening letters. No jimping. Laynard hole, preferably off a standoff at the back of the knife so the pocket clip in tip down can ride low, 4-way pocket clip. Think a Medford meets Emerson meets Spyderco.

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby sal » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:47 am

Hi Jason,

Thanx for the response. All of what you say makes sense except for the round handle. So I guess How round is round is the question? We have found that when a folder takes up too much pocket real estate or is too "round", sales suck.

sal

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby Tims » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:58 pm

sal wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:56 am
Tims wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:03 am
I’m just going to pop my head in and show my support for the high hollow grind idea. Thin, high and hollow. As thin, high and hollow as the team at Spyderco deem reliable from a warranty stand point.

Now I’m here, I’ll also add that I would love to see some neutral handle ergos. I’m a huge fan of forward finger choils. In the absence of those however, I prefer a neutral handle design. Some might argue that they can’t achieve a positive grip on a neutral handle but I strongly disagree. I would actually love to hear Sals thoughts on neutral ergos. If anyone can put to market a good neutral handle folder it’s Sal, Eric and the team.

Somebody mentioned blade cant and I back that 100%. Doesn’t have to be extreme, what you see on the Endura is enough. The increased cutting power and cutting comfort from a positive blade cant is amazing. The further you go in the opposite direction ie negative cant, the worse it starts to feel.
Hi Tims,

So what are you calling neutral, negative and positive angles?

sal
‘Morning Sal

Apologies, pics would be handy here but I suck at that so I’ll do my best to explain.

Neutral would be, tip of blade inline with pivot Eg. Delica

Positive would be tip below pivot. Eg Schemmp Bowie

Negative would be tip above pivot point. Edge trailing like Bill Moran trailing point or street beat

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby sal » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:36 pm

Hi Tom's,

Ed Schempp refers to his designs as having a negative angle.

sal

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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby Vivi » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:45 pm

sal wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:47 am
Hi Jason,

Thanx for the response. All of what you say makes sense except for the round handle. So I guess How round is round is the question? We have found that when a folder takes up too much pocket real estate or is too "round", sales suck.

sal
Even if they're relatively narrow, but still barrel shaped, it makes it a lot less comfortable to EDC.

I've been trying to find a good EDC light that's flat for that reason. The round tube shaped lights aren't as comfortable, because for example if they get sandwiched between your body and a chair while sitting, you feel a lot more pressure than something flat that spreads out the force better.

Rounder handles are a lot more comfortable, but they work better for foxed blades IMO.
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Re: Sal asks you to design a Spyderco.

Postby Sumdumguy » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:03 pm

samdasnake wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:29 pm
samdasnake wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:04 pm
SpyderScout wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:55 pm
Jazz wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:00 am

Image
Quite like that one.

RH only wire clip, coyote brown FRN and its good to go in my book. :spyder: instead of maple leaf as well, pls :D
I really love this design!!
I really love this beautiful design. The blade shape is great and the design is otherwise simple. I agree with F Re N and wire clip. I'd buy it!
This needs to be a thing.

If it were the size of the Baby Horn, that would be fantastic.


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