Against the grain...

[ugaarguy]

-Steels don’t matter when your knife doesn’t leave your “knife safe” AKA sock draw.

-titanium is unnecessary and expensive

-Damascus looks crap

-the fact that spyderco won’t supply internals on models with known issues like the Mantra is dumb.

Given the number of stainless steel liners I've had rust on Spydercos, I have to disagree. If, like me, you want a Spyderco with flow through construction, and one that wont rust, titanium is a necessity and the added expense isn't terrible.

Keep your knives clean and a basic protective film will get you out of trouble.
People have used blades in corrosive conditions for quite a long time prior to titanium components

Daveho, it's only been a problem with Spyderco, not other brands. The rust was between the liners and scales, and this was in the dark days when disassembly voided the warranty. Kinda hard to keep knives clean and apply a protective film when doing so voids the warranty. Thankfully, Spyderco has moved past that foolishness. Further, people also used carbon steel knives for many centuries, and then conventional stainless alloys for nearly a century in corrosive environments. That doesn't mean that newer alloys like H1 and LC200N aren't extremely useful, if not necessary, to some folks.

[Daveho]

-Steels don’t matter when your knife doesn’t leave your “knife safe” AKA sock draw.

-titanium is unnecessary and expensive

-Damascus looks crap

-the fact that spyderco won’t supply internals on models with known issues like the Mantra is dumb.

Given the number of stainless steel liners I've had rust on Spydercos, I have to disagree. If, like me, you want a Spyderco with flow through construction, and one that wont rust, titanium is a necessity and the added expense isn't terrible.

Keep your knives clean and a basic protective film will get you out of trouble.
People have used blades in corrosive conditions for quite a long time prior to titanium components

Daveho, it's only been a problem with Spyderco, not other brands. The rust was between the liners and scales, and this was in the dark days when disassembly voided the warranty. Kinda hard to keep knives clean and apply a protective film when doing so voids the warranty. Thankfully, Spyderco has moved past that foolishness. Further, people also used carbon steel knives for many centuries, and then conventional stainless alloys for nearly a century in corrosive environments. That doesn't mean that newer alloys like H1 and LC200N aren't extremely useful, if not necessary, to some folks.

The idea that spydercos warranty is something worth preserving over maintaining a knife is a bit short sighted-

[vivi]

Given the number of stainless steel liners I've had rust on Spydercos, I have to disagree. If, like me, you want a Spyderco with flow through construction, and one that wont rust, titanium is a necessity and the added expense isn't terrible.

Keep your knives clean and a basic protective film will get you out of trouble.
People have used blades in corrosive conditions for quite a long time prior to titanium components

Daveho, it's only been a problem with Spyderco, not other brands. The rust was between the liners and scales, and this was in the dark days when disassembly voided the warranty. Kinda hard to keep knives clean and apply a protective film when doing so voids the warranty. Thankfully, Spyderco has moved past that foolishness. Further, people also used carbon steel knives for many centuries, and then conventional stainless alloys for nearly a century in corrosive environments. That doesn't mean that newer alloys like H1 and LC200N aren't extremely useful, if not necessary, to some folks.

The idea that spydercos warranty is something worth preserving over maintaining a knife is a bit short sighted-

So is the idea that titanium is worthless because you have less issues with corrosion than some of us

If I weren't on my phone I'd post the image of my Spin or Police with rusted liners, blade, pivot etc. Film coatings wear off, and don't protect the bolts etc.

[Daveho]

Off Topic

Keep your knives clean and a basic protective film will get you out of trouble.
People have used blades in corrosive conditions for quite a long time prior to titanium components

Daveho, it's only been a problem with Spyderco, not other brands. The rust was between the liners and scales, and this was in the dark days when disassembly voided the warranty. Kinda hard to keep knives clean and apply a protective film when doing so voids the warranty. Thankfully, Spyderco has moved past that foolishness. Further, people also used carbon steel knives for many centuries, and then conventional stainless alloys for nearly a century in corrosive environments. That doesn't mean that newer alloys like H1 and LC200N aren't extremely useful, if not necessary, to some folks.

The idea that spydercos warranty is something worth preserving over maintaining a knife is a bit short sighted-

So is the idea that titanium is worthless because you have less issues with corrosion than some of us

If I weren't on my phone I'd post the image of my Spin or Police with rusted liners, blade, pivot etc. Film coatings wear off, and don't protect the bolts etc.

Just don’t be lazy and maintain your tools, super easy.
I’ve been snorkeling with many of my spydercos and I’ve never owned a salt series knife

[vivi]

Off Topic

Daveho, it's only been a problem with Spyderco, not other brands. The rust was between the liners and scales, and this was in the dark days when disassembly voided the warranty. Kinda hard to keep knives clean and apply a protective film when doing so voids the warranty. Thankfully, Spyderco has moved past that foolishness. Further, people also used carbon steel knives for many centuries, and then conventional stainless alloys for nearly a century in corrosive environments. That doesn't mean that newer alloys like H1 and LC200N aren't extremely useful, if not necessary, to some folks.

The idea that spydercos warranty is something worth preserving over maintaining a knife is a bit short sighted-

So is the idea that titanium is worthless because you have less issues with corrosion than some of us

If I weren't on my phone I'd post the image of my Spin or Police with rusted liners, blade, pivot etc. Film coatings wear off, and don't protect the bolts etc.

Just don’t be lazy and maintain your tools, super easy.
I’ve been snorkeling with many of my spydercos and I’ve never owned a salt series knife

So anyone that runs into more corrosion issues than you isn't maintaining their tools, huh? You've personally gone around and seen the way we treat our knives, have you? Snorkeling with a knife once in a while is exactly the same as a knife being exposed to harsh corrosive liquids for 16 hours a day?

[tvenuto]

You see,the way threads like this work is... you don't argue with people's opinions that they've specifically posted because they think that they run counter to what most people think!

Because otherwise bedlam ensues...

[Bodog]

You see,the way threads like this work is... you don't argue with people's opinions that they've specifically posted because they think that they run counter to what most people think!

Because otherwise bedlam ensues...

+1

[bearfacedkiller]

Yup, I thought they point of this thread was to voice opinions that differ from popular opinion with being flamed.

[vivi]

You see,the way threads like this work is... you don't argue with people's opinions that they've specifically posted because they think that they run counter to what most people think!

Because otherwise bedlam ensues...

ok, let me try.

People that don't use copper blades are simply folks that don't know how to maintain their tools. I've used copper blades to cut up tons of cardboard and the edge holding is just fine if you know how to maintain your tools. Steel is unecessary and expensive when copper is literally used to make pennies.

:rolleyes:

[Daveho]

Off Topic

The idea that spydercos warranty is something worth preserving over maintaining a knife is a bit short sighted-

So is the idea that titanium is worthless because you have less issues with corrosion than some of us

If I weren't on my phone I'd post the image of my Spin or Police with rusted liners, blade, pivot etc. Film coatings wear off, and don't protect the bolts etc.

Just don’t be lazy and maintain your tools, super easy.
I’ve been snorkeling with many of my spydercos and I’ve never owned a salt series knife

So anyone that runs into more corrosion issues than you isn't maintaining their tools, huh? You've personally gone around and seen the way we treat our knives, have you? Snorkeling with a knife once in a while is exactly the same as a knife being exposed to harsh corrosive liquids for 16 hours a day?

Do you store your knives in with your collection of spilled car batteries?

[vivi]

Off Topic

So is the idea that titanium is worthless because you have less issues with corrosion than some of us

If I weren't on my phone I'd post the image of my Spin or Police with rusted liners, blade, pivot etc. Film coatings wear off, and don't protect the bolts etc.

Just don’t be lazy and maintain your tools, super easy.
I’ve been snorkeling with many of my spydercos and I’ve never owned a salt series knife

So anyone that runs into more corrosion issues than you isn't maintaining their tools, huh? You've personally gone around and seen the way we treat our knives, have you? Snorkeling with a knife once in a while is exactly the same as a knife being exposed to harsh corrosive liquids for 16 hours a day?

Do you store your knives in with your collection of spilled car batteries?

Well, not all of us sit at a desk in AC to earn our living. And some of us live where it's pretty warm. Some of us work around water. It's awfully pretentious to imply anyone that lives a different lifestyle than you sucks at taking care of their tools rather than trying to understand the environment their tools are used in.

Do you think Ti dive knives became popular because people are stupid and can't take care of their tools as well as you, or do you think there is a practical reason to desire a rust proof blade in an environment where rust is inevitable?

[Daveho]

Off Topic

Just don’t be lazy and maintain your tools, super easy.
I’ve been snorkeling with many of my spydercos and I’ve never owned a salt series knife

So anyone that runs into more corrosion issues than you isn't maintaining their tools, huh? You've personally gone around and seen the way we treat our knives, have you? Snorkeling with a knife once in a while is exactly the same as a knife being exposed to harsh corrosive liquids for 16 hours a day?

Do you store your knives in with your collection of spilled car batteries?

Well, not all of us sit at a desk in AC to earn our living. And some of us live where it's pretty warm. Some of us work around water. It's awfully pretentious to imply anyone that lives a different lifestyle than you sucks at taking care of their tools rather than trying to understand the environment their tools are used in.

Do you think Ti dive knives became popular because people are stupid and can't take care of their tools as well as you, or do you think there is a practical reason to desire a rust proof blade in an environment where rust is inevitable?

And yet... you have no idea what I do or how I treat my knives and you presume to know better?
I appreciate you trying to put words in my mouth though.
But it is true that titanium is unnecessary and expensive- sorry it upsets you so.

[Bodog]

So anyone that runs into more corrosion issues than you isn't maintaining their tools, huh? You've personally gone around and seen the way we treat our knives, have you? Snorkeling with a knife once in a while is exactly the same as a knife being exposed to harsh corrosive liquids for 16 hours a day?

Do you store your knives in with your collection of spilled car batteries?

Well, not all of us sit at a desk in AC to earn our living. And some of us live where it's pretty warm. Some of us work around water. It's awfully pretentious to imply anyone that lives a different lifestyle than you sucks at taking care of their tools rather than trying to understand the environment their tools are used in.

Do you think Ti dive knives became popular because people are stupid and can't take care of their tools as well as you, or do you think there is a practical reason to desire a rust proof blade in an environment where rust is inevitable?

And yet... you have no idea what I do or how I treat my knives and you presume to know better?
I appreciate you trying to put words in my mouth though.
But it is true that titanium is unnecessary and expensive- sorry it upsets you so.

Why you killing this thread, man?

[vivi]

So anyone that runs into more corrosion issues than you isn't maintaining their tools, huh? You've personally gone around and seen the way we treat our knives, have you? Snorkeling with a knife once in a while is exactly the same as a knife being exposed to harsh corrosive liquids for 16 hours a day?

Do you store your knives in with your collection of spilled car batteries?

Well, not all of us sit at a desk in AC to earn our living. And some of us live where it's pretty warm. Some of us work around water. It's awfully pretentious to imply anyone that lives a different lifestyle than you sucks at taking care of their tools rather than trying to understand the environment their tools are used in.

Do you think Ti dive knives became popular because people are stupid and can't take care of their tools as well as you, or do you think there is a practical reason to desire a rust proof blade in an environment where rust is inevitable?

And yet... you have no idea what I do or how I treat my knives and you presume to know better?
I appreciate you trying to put words in my mouth though.
But it is true that titanium is unnecessary and expensive- sorry it upsets you so.

Upset? lol.

"Technological advancements are only worth it if I personally have a use for them…"

lol.

You never did explain why you want steel blades so bad when copper works just fine. People got by for thousands of years with copper tools, you probably just don't know how to maintain them :D

[Daveho]

Do you store your knives in with your collection of spilled car batteries?

Well, not all of us sit at a desk in AC to earn our living. And some of us live where it's pretty warm. Some of us work around water. It's awfully pretentious to imply anyone that lives a different lifestyle than you sucks at taking care of their tools rather than trying to understand the environment their tools are used in.

Do you think Ti dive knives became popular because people are stupid and can't take care of their tools as well as you, or do you think there is a practical reason to desire a rust proof blade in an environment where rust is inevitable?

And yet... you have no idea what I do or how I treat my knives and you presume to know better?
I appreciate you trying to put words in my mouth though.
But it is true that titanium is unnecessary and expensive- sorry it upsets you so.

Upset? lol.

"Technological advancements are only worth it if I personally have a use for them…"

lol.

You never did explain why you want steel blades so bad when copper works just fine. People got by for thousands of years with copper tools, you probably just don't know how to maintain them :D

Yes... clearly that is where this has all fallen short..
I have no trouble with my knives but you seem too, perhaps a tool more appropriate to your use is in order- maybe a mora?
I bet you wouldn’t be so defensive if you only had $14 tied up in it rather than the hundreds with unnecessary expensive materials like titanium

[vivi]

bro pacific salts cost $75, even with the titanium.

I have a Police 3 I've carried off and on since the month they came out. I take it apart once or twice a year and sand rust out of the liners.

If they were Ti it'd be lighter and would rust less. I'd pay the extra.

That Police is functioning better than the day I bought it. I have no issues maintaining it, but would certainly appreciate not having to sand rust out of the liners. I don't have to on my Pacific Salt, which is one reason it's in my pocket today and the Police is at home.

I think you should take a step back and quit telling people what is and isn't necessary on their pocket tools, when they live a much different lifestyle than you do. For example last month I rode a bicycle 1, 200 miles in a week and a half, going along the coast and up mountains. I brought a Pacific Salt with me. It worked great, and it was one less thing I had to be concerned with when rain happened.

Sure, me, Lance, and others could go back to ATS era Endura 3's and get by. But why would we choose to deal with rust when technological advancements have made that a thing of the past?

Oh, that's right, Dave doesn't find such technology useful, so we should stop using it. Logic...where'd you go?

[Daveho]

Haha I think you need to get less upset about peoples opinion on knives- if I was walking up hill all day in the acid rain 78 hours a day like you I probably wouldn’t be buying spyderco..
No idea why riding a bike and some rain would cause you to fear for your knife but anyway...
That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it.

[vivi]

No idea why riding a bike and some rain would cause you to fear for your knife but anyway...

It doesn't. Because it's rust proof. That's the point :rolleyes:

I make enough $$ doing what I do that sanding rust off the liners is less economically sensible than working an extra hour to pay the premium for Ti liners. Being lighter is another huge bonus in my book.

[Bodog]

Vivi, daveho, please start your own thread instead of messing this one up any more. I'm asking as a gentleman to what i assume are two other gentlemen.

[bearfacedkiller]

Vivi, daveho, please start your own thread instead of messing this one up any more. I'm asking as a gentleman to what i assume are two other gentlemen.

Or better yet, take full advantage of the private message feature. :rolleyes: :D