Delcia to endura sized knife w/flat ground

[ftkinney]

Sal-After buying three spydercos in the last two months and getting loads of use out of them, great product. One kife I would like to see next year if possible would be an mid-sized knife with a plain or 60/40 blade flat gound and the opion of ss handles. despide using the knives with frequencey the grip aways seems fine. i like the stainless steel: the durablity and the eaze that they slide in and out for the pocket. they have a "crafted" but still utitaran "tool-like" apperance that i find lets you carry them in more situations with less question. One of the knives i have is a ss harpy that looks very visious yet the ss hanle makes it look less "military" like the G-10 or FRN handles. The flat grind and the plain or combo blade, i find that is very usefull for every day utillity and work. Anyway thats just a knife i would like to see while you are culling older models for next year's line, Thanks.



FTK

[sal]

Hi FTK. Don't remember welcoming you, sorry 'bout that. Welcome to the Spyderco forum.

We already have a number of new models already in queue for next year, but I'll keep your preference in mind. The major complaint at this time on ss handles is weight.

sal

[thorin hammer]

I must say Sal that I agree with ftkinney about the SS handle. They are a LOT more durable. Though I did vote against a couple of them in the culling post. The SS Native is my daily carry at work. It is easier and quicker to use than none SS handles models. The weight doesn't matter, you get accustom to it and don’t notice it, except when you for get it. Boy!, I’m glad I have my Spydercard... <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

Ehh, supposed to be Thorin... : )

[ftkinney]

Thanks Sal and Thorin Hammer-I personaly like the weight i feel it keeps a knife balaced, however maybe titanium as a good comperimise, i think the durablity is closer to steel than aluminum or G-10 and composites, I have a Wenger now and love it so looked at getting a Wenger w/titaum handles but my luck I would lose a $400.00 knife in two weeks. I might get the mouse and see how aluminum stands up. Thanks for the imput.

FTK

[cerulean]

That sounds like a good idea to me: mid-sized knife with stainless handles and flat ground blade! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

One of my favorites is the SS Dragonfly, but it's just a tad too small for me. Something like that, but just a litte bit larger, and I'd be all over it.

[Tom Percy]

I may not be as experienced as some of you when it comes to the flat grind versus the hollow grind knives, but as I use my knives for just about everything except protection I off this;

One reason that I have not liked flat grind, is I have found the tip to be too fine, and usually the flat grind blades are somewhat narrower than the hollow grind versions. While we are looking what can arguably be some small differences, in actual measurement, I prefer the hollow grind for a stronger tip. All the knives I own that see major hunting and EDC are of the hollow grind variety.
I am comparing the Calypso Jr. Versions;
The Calypso Jr. II in flat grind had held up extremely well cutting heavy boxes, plastics, various types of packaging tape and small amounts of wood. A lot time, only the tip has been used and the tip strength has been great.
The Calypso Jr. in flat grind does not get the heavy boxes, heavier plastics or wood use as its flat grind cousin, because the forward area of the blade does not appear to have the tip strength and I'm a little nervous about breaking the tip. I tend to use this version as well as its larger brother in more applications around the kitchen that in the shop or at work.

Based on my personal observations, I would like to see the availability of hollow grind on some of these new mid range knives. There is only one knife in the lineup that may change my opinion of Flat grind slightly, and that is the Military. This is a large folder with a wide blade that carries it strength all the way to the tip, but this knife would be for weekend use and not weekly EDC.

[Tightwad]

The subject of flat vs. hollow grind has been discussed forever. Both have their supporters and neither
is "better" than the other. What is improtant to note is that all of the "old fashioned" pocket knives ,i.e.
stockman, trappers ,etc. are flat ground. They are all made to cut . The wedge shape of the grind
supports the edge better than hollow grind. That's one reason the flat grind is more better for "every
day" use. Tip strength is better left to screwdrivers and pry bars. All of the spyderco's that are flat
ground are amazing cutters.

[ftkinney]

Thanks, tightwad thats the type of knife i'm refering to a very good genral purpuse cutting knife a good 3mm or 3.5 thick like the Native but not quite as thick as the Military.

[Clay Kesting]

Tom,

You're point about tip strength is well taken. My first Spydie was a Wegner Jr. chosen, in part, for it's tip strength. At the time there was lots of dicussion on the forums about the brittleness of ATS34 and broken tips. As it turned out the knives in question were AFCKs and the problem lay more in Benchmade's heat treatment. As I've used my knives more my tastes have changed and I now prefer knives with a flat grind and a fine point like the Centofante Jr, Calypso Jr. and Dragonfly. I've even had to buy a miniDyad to compliment my Chinese Folder as the point is not quite fine enough. I find I use the point for lots of detail work, some quite heavy like trimming woodwork joints, and I've never had a problem with tip breakage. A fine tip is also great for getting out splinters <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>. That's the great thing about Spyderco making blades with a variety of shapes, grinds, and steels. It gives everybody a chance to find the knife (or 20 <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>) which most suits their needs and still carry the best <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>.

Clay

Don't worry that the world might end tomorrow, in Australia it's tomorrow already.

[Tightwad]

ftkinny, have look at the calypso lt wt jr. for an everyday cutting tool. I bought one on a whim & be
darned if this little guy is in my pocket everyday doing eveything I ask it to do. If you want something
bigger look for a plain blade calypso or a g-10 flat ground police. I too looked at the native & owned
one twice. Sold both to friends who liked them more than I did. The hollow grind just didn't do it
for me. If sal decided to make a knife flat ground in the endura size it might sell fairly well.
I've learned that the old time cutlers who make the "old fashioned" knives really did know what
they were doing in making cutting tools. These knives work hard for a living for a very long time
and still yet today so they must be doing something right.

[ftkinney]

Tightwad -- i think that i will check out the calypso jr. next time i'm in the store. I wish that it cam in ss handles with a plain edge. thanks

FTK

[Tom Percy]

I should add that when I mentioned Tip Strength in my previous note, that I should also mention that I use my knives for cutting and leave prying to other tools.
I am aware as well that some will like the flat grind, while others will not. That is what makes us individuals.

[ftkinney]

Tom Percy--I know what you mean, I used to only use hollow grinds for that same reason. I've broke a few tips as well. I tend to think that the avances in steel have helped this. I am courios about your prefrance of locking mechinism? Thanks

FTK

[Tom Percy]

ftkinney
- Not to stray too far from the topic, but I have long prefered the lock as used on the Endura's (I call a rear lock). However, I have a lot of respect for the liner lock on the Military.

[Robert Martin]

I agree with ftkinney, Thoirn Hammer and cerulean, I would love to see a steel handled Endura with a flat grind. I prefer the larger thumb hole like on the military.