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    Found a task that S110V is NOT good for

    Splitting firewood.

    I was prepping some firewood last night and started to get curious about the strength of the FRN handles (answer: they're pretty strong). Had a piece of wood that had a nice crack started in it and though "Why not see if I can get this apart with my new Manix?" Put the knife in and pushed down...getting tight, push a little harder...just a little more, maybe pry it a little...pry a little more... just a little mo..SNAP!!

    First thought: Damn, that was stupid. Really stupid. One of the dumber things I've done with a knife. Yes, beer was involved, but still, dumb.

    Second thought: Crap! That's $100 knife. $100. Poof! Gone. Down the drain. Good bye.

    Observation: When you see the log the blade is stuck in there will be no doubt that this stunt falls under the abuse, misuse and improper handling disclaimer of the warranty. No W&R for this guy. Try to pry apart a chunk of firewood with a 3mm high hardness blade and chances are good that you are going to break a knife. Excessive force has consequences.

    Funny thing: earlier that evening I had considered selling my Schempp Tuff because I didn't really think I had a need for such an overbuilt knife with its thick blade and massive pivot. Looking back now I think that maybe I should keep it. Probably wouldn't to have a folder that's a little more dumbass proof in my pocket.

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    Wow, my condolences!

    I was wondering based on Cliff's comments the other day... does it make no sense to get a Strider in S110V?
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    Quote Originally Posted by senorsquare View Post
    Put the knife in and pushed down...getting tight, push a little harder...just a little more, maybe pry it a little...pry a little more... just a little mo..SNAP!!
    Is this basically you just flexing your wrist sideways and you snapped the blade in half?

    Is it possible to see a picture of the entire blade, both pieces to see the direction of the break.


    If you want, send me a PM, I know people who can turn that into a fixed blade.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donut View Post

    I was wondering based on Cliff's comments the other day... does it make no sense to get a Strider in S110V?
    It would depend on what you wanted to do with it, and where you wanted it to excel.

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    Damn. The S110V is interesting stuff. My edge micro chipped carving hardwood. Very hard wood, not sure what type. Did the same carving with a 1095 knife with a thinner edge and no chipping. Supports the idea that S110V isn't better at everything. Cardboard chainsaw? Definitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Stamp View Post
    Is this basically you just flexing your wrist sideways and you snapped the blade in half?
    Yes. Tried to pry it sideways. I basically put a perpendicular force on the side of the blade.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Stamp View Post
    Is it possible to see a picture of the entire blade, both pieces to see the direction of the break.
    The blade is still firmly wedged in the log. I'll have to use a splitting wedge to get it out. I'll post a photo of it this afternoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABX2011 View Post
    Damn. The S110V is interesting stuff. My edge micro chipped carving hardwood. Very hard wood, not sure what type. Did the same carving with a 1095 knife with a thinner edge and no chipping. Supports the idea that S110V isn't better at everything. Cardboard chainsaw? Definitely.
    I think I can safely say what I did is something this knife and steel were never intended for.

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    senorsquare,
    For what it's worth... thank you for your honesty! It's much appreciated! I am sorry to read this though, my heart hurt a little for your Manix2.
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    I'm sorry for your loss but at least we get to learn something from it. Thanks for the post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TazKristi View Post
    senorsquare,
    For what it's worth... thank you for your honesty! It's much appreciated! I am sorry to read this though, my heart hurt a little for your Manix2.
    Thanks Kristi. It was a great knife and I'm sure I'll be getting another one soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorsquare View Post
    Splitting firewood.

    I was prepping some firewood last night and started to get curious about the strength of the FRN handles (answer: they're pretty strong). Had a piece of wood that had a nice crack started in it and though "Why not see if I can get this apart with my new Manix?" Put the knife in and pushed down...getting tight, push a little harder...just a little more, maybe pry it a little...pry a little more... just a little mo..SNAP!!

    First thought: Damn, that was stupid. Really stupid. One of the dumber things I've done with a knife. Yes, beer was involved, but still, dumb.

    Second thought: Crap! That's $100 knife. $100. Poof! Gone. Down the drain. Good bye.

    Observation: When you see the log the blade is stuck in there will be no doubt that this stunt falls under the abuse, misuse and improper handling disclaimer of the warranty. No W&R for this guy. Try to pry apart a chunk of firewood with a 3mm high hardness blade and chances are good that you are going to break a knife. Excessive force has consequences.

    Funny thing: earlier that evening I had considered selling my Schempp Tuff because I didn't really think I had a need for such an overbuilt knife with its thick blade and massive pivot. Looking back now I think that maybe I should keep it. Probably wouldn't to have a folder that's a little more dumbass proof in my pocket.

    Pictures or it didn't happen right? Here you go:

    Untitled by senorsquare, on Flickr

    Untitled by senorsquare, on Flickr

    Untitled by senorsquare, on Flickr

    Untitled by senorsquare, on Flickr

    facepalm by senorsquare, on Flickr

    That's funny really.

    "Beer was involved" .... LOL

    Anyway, I am sorry this happened to you, as you already know what you did I won't be my usual self. ROFL

    Get another one and remember just don't try and split firewood with it.

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    Senorsquare... a few things.

    First, I suspected beer was involved
    Second, why you would consider selling the Tuff is beyond me
    Third, knowing I had a Tuff within walking distance of where the log was I believe I would have sought a slightly more overbuilt tool for the task you planned.

    Sorry for your loss, but look on the bright side..... you now have the industry's first S110V hideaway knife (or a letter opener that will never need sharpening).
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    Chalk it up as an educational experience, your tuition has been paid in full.

    On the bright side, you have some spare parts and a chunk of S110V for a possible future project.
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    Awesome thread haha. I would definitely take up Cliffs offer in making that knife a fixed blade
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    I actually winced when you first said "pry". At least it's a production knife.

    Interesting to me that the snap occurred where the scales overlap the blade rather than at the thumbhole. Those scales must be really strong at the pivot, no?

    Sorry for your loss, but thanks for sharing.
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    As an aside, consider what this means when it is argued that the strength of S110V is high in relation to an edge which is far thinner than the spine.

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    The knife was plenty strong right up until the point that it failed entirely. With an appropriate test fixture we could develop a stress/strain curve, but who wants to volunteer their knife for destructive testing? It is a great cautionary tale for those thinking of using a high carbide FFG knife as a prybar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fancier View Post
    It is a great cautionary tale for those thinking of using a high carbide FFG knife as a prybar.
    You use the edge as a pry bar every time you cut something, the relative strength actually decreases in thin sections, it doesn't increase.

    Why have you assumed that it showed high strength, have you put a piece of 1/8" low carbide steel in the plastic range with less force than what was described?

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