Results 1 to 11 of 11

Thread: This Southard clone almost had me fooled

  1. #1
    Spyderco Forum Registered User Jay_Ev's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    South Bay, CA
    Posts
    3,044

    This Southard clone almost had me fooled

    <--- My Spydies <click the dancing banana!>

  2. #2
    Spyderco Forum Registered User Pockets's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Iron Islands
    Posts
    1,137
    Well, the CF is a tipoff...
    Delica PE, Dragonfly Salt SE, Stretch SE, Manbug SE, Mule 16, Sage 1, black/satin PM2, Native 5

  3. #3
    Spyderco Forum Registered User M80's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Canadia
    Posts
    259
    :/
    Last edited by M80; 12-01-2013 at 03:34 AM.

  4. #4
    Spyderco Forum Registered User toomzz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    893
    Quote Originally Posted by Pockets View Post
    Well, the CF is a tipoff...
    yup.....
    Even in times of peace a gentleman still keeps a sword by his side

  5. #5
    Spyderco Forum Registered User Pinetreebbs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    SC
    Posts
    1,606
    This SOB also has a military and many other counterfeit brands.
    Have you joined Knife Rights yet? Go to: www.KnifeRights.org
    Protecting your Right to own and carry the knives YOU choose.

  6. #6
    Spyderco Forum Registered User IG-88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    1,396
    Quote Originally Posted by Pinetreebbs View Post
    This SOB also has a military and many other counterfeit brands.
    Yes, its a shock he only has known brand counterfeits (Strider, CRK, ZT, ...) Where is this going to end?
    Current EDC: Techno, Squeak, Southard Flipper, Caly 3.5

    New Arrivals: Chap3, Domino, Sage 3

    2014 Wishlist: Yo2 CF, Deviant Friction, Tatanka, Tusk, Firefly

    Oldies Wishlist: Delica CF PE, Civilian CF PE

  7. #7
    Spyderco Forum Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    836
    Ebay!

  8. #8
    Spyderco Forum Registered User PatCatMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Georgia, USA Earth
    Posts
    119
    Not just eBay - my nephew got one of the CF models off of aliexpress for around $60.

    I have the real deal - even put an STR Ti clip on her - love the knife - #1 in my EDC lineup.
    Maybe 30+ spydies and growing -

    But I have to say that the clone is very, very nice. Fit and finish is spot on - tight / no play / dead center - and actually smoother flipper action than mine was before breaking in. Smoother but still tight.
    Side by side they are spot on.
    I'm sure the steel has to be different for a $60 purchase price - but it looks exactly the same.

    I know I sound like a freakin ad for these rip offs - but it is what it is.
    It just got me thinking a little about my $220+ I paid. I really would like to know the steel used - but it really doesn't matter. I carry mine for the same reason some folks wear a genuine Rolex.
    I'll probably never put my blade in a hard-use situation - and most folks probably wouldn't either.
    Functional pocket jewelry.

    But it does get one thinking about what is possible - $170+ more for the blade steel?
    Marketing 101 - charge whatever the market will allow
    "You miss 100% of the shots you never take"

  9. #9
    Spyderco Forum Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Auckland, New Zealand
    Posts
    101
    Steel and heat treatment are a significant price difference, as is the cost of development in the first place.

    When you have a devoted QC department that incurs another potential cost.

    Of course there's the labour cost as well.

    There is a reason why you pay four times the price for an original over the copy.

  10. #10
    Spyderco Forum Registered User xceptnl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Moonshine Country, Virginia
    Posts
    5,674
    Quote Originally Posted by PatCatMan View Post
    Not just eBay - my nephew got one of the CF models off of aliexpress for around $60.

    I have the real deal - even put an STR Ti clip on her - love the knife - #1 in my EDC lineup.
    Maybe 30+ spydies and growing -

    But I have to say that the clone is very, very nice. Fit and finish is spot on - tight / no play / dead center - and actually smoother flipper action than mine was before breaking in. Smoother but still tight.
    Side by side they are spot on.
    I'm sure the steel has to be different for a $60 purchase price - but it looks exactly the same.

    I know I sound like a freakin ad for these rip offs - but it is what it is.
    It just got me thinking a little about my $220+ I paid. I really would like to know the steel used - but it really doesn't matter. I carry mine for the same reason some folks wear a genuine Rolex.
    I'll probably never put my blade in a hard-use situation - and most folks probably wouldn't either.
    Functional pocket jewelry.

    But it does get one thinking about what is possible - $170+ more for the blade steel?
    Marketing 101 - charge whatever the market will allow
    You pay the price because other factors are involved than just the Materials and Labor. The development and design costs were all funded by Spyderco. It is really easy to design a knife cheap when you are copying someone else's work. The blade steel as well as the quality of the Ti and hardwear used can contribute to the added costs. The big difference in my mind is the warranty. True a cheap ripoff maker can give away 2 knives and still likely make a profit, but I prefer to spend my money where the maker stands behind the quality of their product, not how many the averages say they will need to give away due to failures with a sub-par product. Rant over.
    My 's:
    Native, Manix 2 (BD1,154CM,S30V,M4,XHP,S110V,Cruwear), Delica 4 (White,Red,Brown,Blue,BRG,G-10), Spyderhawk, D'fly (H1,G-10,SB), Police3, Volpe, Military (S30V,XHP,D2,M390,BG42,440V,Cruwear), Superleafs, Forager, D2 Para, Kopas, Kiwis, Caly (JR's,3,3.5), Para2 (XHP,204P), Stretch (SS,FRN's,CF), Rescues, Dyad Jr, Pingos, Southard, AIR, Jess Horns, Forum N5, Lil Matriarch, Barong, Superhawk, Chinook II, ATR, SPY-DK, Captain, Ti UKPK, Mules

    *Landon*

  11. #11
    Spyderco Forum Registered User FLIP4real's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    MI
    Posts
    33
    These CF versions on ebay are almost dead ringers, although I cant say that I own a legit Southard for direct comparison. One of the sellers had a lot of close up detailed photos, and wasnt afraid to show them. It is priced $170 and I have seen others near $300 claiming "custom" scales. Obviously sellers are wise to the fact that they dont need to list it at bargain basement prices like aliexpress to move the questionable knives since the Southard is high demand. When I contacted the particular seller I saw he pulled the listing claiming that other buyers had brought this up and if they are fake he didnt know and that they are damn good ones. True or not, its scary that a knife of that quality can be so closely mocked.

    EDIT: another member posted the one i saw in the main fake thread -

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spyderco-Sou...item1e85139451

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •