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    Warning - deals too good to be true may well be!

    UPDATED WITH DETAILED PICS OF FAKES AND HOW TO SPOT THEM:
    http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showt...349#post901349

    Yes I know there are endless threads over in the fakes subforum, but this thread has a somewhat different purpose.

    We already know that AliExpress is full of fakes, there isn't a legit product on there. Kristi already posted a thread about it.

    The thing that changed, for me at least, is that I discovered there are a whole suite of knives which are actually pretty convincing. Heretofore I'd always assumed I could spot a fake. Not so much anymore.





    Just as one example. (there are TONS more, from all major brands)

    I bring this up because, that might just have fooled me had I found it anywhere else. Hock that on fleabay, and I'm sure you could get good money for it, with nobody being the wiser.

    Yes I know this thread may get some people's hackles up and rightly so, sorry for ruining your day, but I'd always assumed it would be easy spot the fakes, even for relative newbies. Now I'm not so sure.
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    That's a fake I would never know. Now I am questioning mine. If I bought it from HKS, I assume there are no questions about it right?

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    I think Eric and Sal's signatures both being on it is the giveaway (I'm not super well versed yet so I could be wrong)...my knives have either no signature, or one...never both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rdGenRigger View Post
    I think Eric and Sal's signatures both being on it is the giveaway (I'm not super well versed yet so I could be wrong)...my knives have either no signature, or one...never both.
    Both Eric and Sal's signatures are on the PM2.

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    Ah, see I didn't know that yet. I have yet to add a PM2 to my collection. What's the giveaway on that model then?
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    The handle was only able to cut the hemp when 10,000 metric tons of force was applied

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    I can't spot anything different, from memory at least.

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    Is the spine of the knife open like that one on a real PM2?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paladin View Post
    The handle was only able to cut the hemp when 10,000 metric tons of force was applied

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalcon View Post
    That's a fake I would never know. Now I am questioning mine. If I bought it from HKS, I assume there are no questions about it right?
    None here, you cannot get fakes from the same place you get sprint runs. I also think you are pretty safe with all the larger US knife dealers often mentioned here.
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    To me the G10 just doesn't look right. It looks "softer" if that makes sense.

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    The spine is indeed open on a PM2.

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    Holding a PM2 in front of me, yeah the G10 looks a little different and the screw heads don't have their torx cut as on-center. If thats the extent of it though (you have to own the knife to figure it out) there is a problem.

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    The best way to avoid counterfeits is to go through trusted sellers. Same reason you shouldn't buy designer purses from a guy in a van.
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    I agree with your Blerv, obviously the trusted dealers are an easy win, but there is a lively secondary market surrounding these knives, and I guess I'm speaking more to the people who engage in that.

    This has been a serious issue for a while now with Strider and CRK knives, someone buys the knife from some guy who is a trusted seller (such as on Bladeforms) and discovers the blade was fake, and the seller didn't know, etc. Same thing here.

    I also bring it up because, given how hard it is to get PM2s these days, people are going to increasingly sketchy or "off the beaten path" sellers. Yeah if you go to aliexpress, you went looking for ****, but I'd bet you that there are quite a few of these floating around people thinking they're legitimate. If not, there will be soon. The world is full of unscrupulous people/companies.

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    Fakes are getting so close its scary. You also have to consider that with this black/satin model, this might be a picture of the real deal a company purchased to copy. Then they took pics of the original to display when listing their fakes.
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    The only two things that lok strange in these pics are:
    1. The clip on my para2 m390 is polished and these are brushed ( I dont' have any other para2's so dont know if they have brushed clips)
    2. The sharpened part of the edge next to the ricasso on this one is rounded and mine has a fully sharpened edge all the way to the ricasso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blerv View Post
    The best way to avoid counterfeits is to go through trusted sellers. Same reason you shouldn't buy designer purses from a guy in a van.
    Exactly. If you only ever buy from reputable dealers, you will never have to worry about fakes.

    Quote Originally Posted by hunterseeker5 View Post
    I agree with your Blerv, obviously the trusted dealers are an easy win, but there is a lively secondary market surrounding these knives, and I guess I'm speaking more to the people who engage in that.

    This has been a serious issue for a while now with Strider and CRK knives, someone buys the knife from some guy who is a trusted seller (such as on Bladeforms) and discovers the blade was fake, and the seller didn't know, etc. Same thing here.

    I also bring it up because, given how hard it is to get PM2s these days, people are going to increasingly sketchy or "off the beaten path" sellers. Yeah if you go to aliexpress, you went looking for ****, but I'd bet you that there are quite a few of these floating around people thinking they're legitimate. If not, there will be soon. The world is full of unscrupulous people/companies.
    Secondary market is definitely more problematic. Best insurance is to deal only with folks you know and trust to the extent possible, and to consider limiting yourself to Collectors Club numbered specimens of models where accurate fakes are known to exist when dealing with strangers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalcon View Post
    That's a fake I would never know. Now I am questioning mine. If I bought it from HKS, I assume there are no questions about it right?
    You should have no worries about your PM2 if you bought it from HKS. They're legit.

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    Completely agreed Hunter. It's a shame we have to deal with this for the popular knives.

    All the more reason I guess to simply wait or pay more knowing you will get the real deal . While people who want a NIB Spin or stainless Poliwog are in a tough situation the Para2 is luckily still a hot selling production knife.
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    How do we know that para is a fake? Theres enough variance with production, imo, that slight inconsistencies are within spec.
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    It's also possible that the photo is of a real Para2 while the product they actually send people is less accurate. But either way, it makes the secondary market harder to trust.
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