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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    Question to you revolver guys, Is S&W J frame .357 cylinder the same size and the .38 cylinder?
    If I understand the question you're asking if a strictly .38 special cylinder is the same dimensions as a .357 cylinder for a j frame?

    First it depends.
    At one time the were different, couldn't tell you specific years though. Now they have the same external dimensions ie they are all "magnum" sized but the .38s are headspaced shorter since the cases are shorter. This way you can't get a .357 properly into a .38 cylinder even though the cylinder itself is technically long enough enough.

    So let's say you had a recent manufacture Model 60 and you had a recent manufacture cylinder in both .357 & .38. You should be able to switch those cylinders as long as the gun didn't start life being intended to shoot .38 only.

    I'm not a gunsmith and you should never do anything like that because some guy on the internet said so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rwb1500 View Post
    If I understand the question you're asking if a strictly .38 special cylinder is the same dimensions as a .357 cylinder for a j frame?

    First it depends.
    At one time the were different, couldn't tell you specific years though. Now they have the same external dimensions ie they are all "magnum" sized but the .38s are headspaced shorter since the cases are shorter. This way you can't get a .357 properly into a .38 cylinder even though the cylinder itself is technically long enough enough.

    So let's say you had a recent manufacture Model 60 and you had a recent manufacture cylinder in both .357 & .38. You should be able to switch those cylinders as long as the gun didn't start life being intended to shoot .38 only.

    I'm not a gunsmith and you should never do anything like that because some guy on the internet said so.
    Thank you, You answered my question. I was just curious about the outer dimensions of the cylinder (whether one was longer then the other). Trying to decide if I should get a .38 or .357. Since they are the same size I will most likely go with the .357.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rwb1500 View Post
    How hard (or soft) do you want to hit your wallet?

    The LWRC R.E.P.R. is an incredibly piece of metal, and the Knight's Armament SR 25 is one of the original and arguably best 7.62 rifles out there, but you'll pay handsomely for either, much more so for the SR25.

    I really like the Ruger piston guns, most of my experience is with the 556 though. You really couldn't go wrong with the Smith or the Rock River either though. Are you set on direct impingement or are you looking for a piston driven gun?

    If a piston is what you seek the LWRC is friggin awesome, but the Ruger is a bit more cost effective.
    I truly am less concerned with DI vs. Piston, thought I realize it effects cost. If money was not a factor I would likely be looking to LMT or similar. Being the real world though I am trying to save some money, but not to the point of buying individual parts and trying to piece together my own franken AR. The 5.56 vs 7.62 has been much more of a battle being waged in my mind. I see the obvious advantage to the smaller NATO round, but the .30 caliber seems like it will better suit my overall needs for this gun. Weight really doesn't bother me so I am not looking for some skinny barrel profile, yet I don't need one of the heavy varmint barrels found on some. Thank you for the input RWB!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xceptnl View Post
    Any opinion and / or experience with the Ruger 762? I have always wanted an AR-10 platform, but never really narrowed down my choices. I have shot Bushmaster, RRA and S&W AR platforms in the past. I am partial to the feel of the RRA, but am not sure about their 7.62x51 platforms. All (constructive and related) input is appreciated.
    I have a DPMS AR10T and love it! The only thing is the gun is heavy!!! The increase in power is worth it though. I show up at the range and people just think,"nice AR". Then on the first trigger pull they immediately turn their heads and when I'm done shooting they ask,"What is that thing?" Don't have any experience with any other AR10's, but have a RR AR15, and S&W AR15 Sport! Sold my Bushmaster, but liked it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    Question to you revolver guys, Is S&W J frame .357 cylinder the same size and the .38 cylinder?
    The cylinder on 38 Specials should be shorter than 357's. That's so you cannot chamber a 357 in a 38 Special because the round will protrude from the shorter cylinder, preventing you from closing the cylinder! I have a S&W60 in 357 just so I can shoot both, but you cannot do the same with a gun manufactured in 38Special only. Hope this helps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eric m. View Post
    The cylinder on 38 Specials should be shorter than 357's. That's so you cannot chamber a 357 in a 38 Special because the round will protrude from the shorter cylinder, preventing you from closing the cylinder! I have a S&W60 in 357 just so I can shoot both, but you cannot do the same with a gun manufactured in 38Special only. Hope this helps!
    Not exactly true. The chambers are on a .38 are shorter, but that does not necessarily mean the cylinder will be shorter. Often it just means that the "unrifled barrel" portion of the cylinder between the end of the chamber and the front face of the cylinder is a bit longer on the .38. Which is not to say it would be safe to rebore a .38 Spl. S&W J frame cylinder to take .357 Magnums, or that a .357 cylinder could be used in a J frame intended for .38. Not to mention that, unlike dropping a new barrel into most autos, unless a revolver comes from the factory with 2 cylinders, replacing the cylinder is not a DIY project for the average gun owner.
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    And, speaking of S&W J Frame .38's, picked this one up two weeks back. It's a mid 70's production square butt Chiefs Special and, IMHO, in excellent condition for its age.



    The factory grips were too small for me, so I replaced them with a Hogue One Piece Goncalo Alves grip this week. The Hogue grip feels great, but I think I'll modify it a bit in the future. IMHO, backstrap end of the butt doesn't need to be as long, or as fat, as it is so I'm thinking of rounding it off some. Holster is a Bianchi Covert Option IWB. Took me half dozen tries to find it, but it's comfy, the gun goes in and comes out easily, and it's easy to take off if the need arises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deacon View Post
    And, speaking of S&W J Frame .38's, picked this one up two weeks back. It's a mid 70's production square butt Chiefs Special and, IMHO, in excellent condition for its age.



    The factory grips were too small for me, so I replaced them with a Hogue One Piece Goncalo Alves grip this week. The Hogue grip feels great, but I think I'll modify it a bit in the future. IMHO, backstrap end of the butt doesn't need to be as long, or as fat, as it is so I'm thinking of rounding it off some. Holster is a Bianchi Covert Option IWB. Took me half dozen tries to find it, but it's comfy, the gun goes in and comes out easily, and it's easy to take off if the need arises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    Thank you, You answered my question. I was just curious about the outer dimensions of the cylinder (whether one was longer then the other). Trying to decide if I should get a .38 or .357. Since they are the same size I will most likely go with the .357.
    If the cylinders are the same size, then this would be the situation. Just like Paul said, the inside of the chambers are cut to only chamber 38 Special rounds. The 357 round being longer will not chamber fully. Don't try to ream a 38 Special cylinder out to fit 357 Magnum rounds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deacon View Post
    Not exactly true. The chambers are on a .38 are shorter, but that does not necessarily mean the cylinder will be shorter. Often it just means that the "unrifled barrel" portion of the cylinder between the end of the chamber and the front face of the cylinder is a bit longer on the .38. Which is not to say it would be safe to rebore a .38 Spl. S&W J frame cylinder to take .357 Magnums, or that a .357 cylinder could be used in a J frame intended for .38. Not to mention that, unlike dropping a new barrel into most autos, unless a revolver comes from the factory with 2 cylinders, replacing the cylinder is not a DIY project for the average gun owner.
    I agree, if the cylinders are the same size then guns chambered in 38 Special have shorter chambers to prevent chambering 357 Mags in them, for obvious reasons!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deacon View Post
    Not exactly true. The chambers are on a .38 are shorter, but that does not necessarily mean the cylinder will be shorter. Often it just means that the "unrifled barrel" portion of the cylinder between the end of the chamber and the front face of the cylinder is a bit longer on the .38. Which is not to say it would be safe to rebore a .38 Spl. S&W J frame cylinder to take .357 Magnums, or that a .357 cylinder could be used in a J frame intended for .38. Not to mention that, unlike dropping a new barrel into most autos, unless a revolver comes from the factory with 2 cylinders, replacing the cylinder is not a DIY project for the average gun owner.
    I agree, if the cylinders are the same size then guns chambered in 38 Special have shorter chambers to prevent chambering 357 Mags in them, for obvious reasons!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deacon View Post
    Not exactly true. The chambers are on a .38 are shorter, but that does not necessarily mean the cylinder will be shorter. Often it just means that the "unrifled barrel" portion of the cylinder between the end of the chamber and the front face of the cylinder is a bit longer on the .38. Which is not to say it would be safe to rebore a .38 Spl. S&W J frame cylinder to take .357 Magnums, or that a .357 cylinder could be used in a J frame intended for .38. Not to mention that, unlike dropping a new barrel into most autos, unless a revolver comes from the factory with 2 cylinders, replacing the cylinder is not a DIY project for the average gun owner.
    I agree, if the cylinders are the same size then guns chambered in 38 Special have shorter chambers to prevent chambering 357 Mags in them, for obvious reasons!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eric m. View Post
    Don't try to ream a 38 Special cylinder out to fit 357 Magnum rounds!
    There are some large frame .38 Special revolvers where that would be safe, but it would definitely be risky with a J frame S&W, especially an older one. Knew one fellow who did it to a Colt Officers Model Match he occasionally hunted with and another who'd trim .357 Mag. cases to .38 Spl. length, load them to .357 Mag. ballistics, and use them when he hunted with his S&W 38-44 Outdoorsman. But those two guns were "overbuilt" for .38 Spl and their weight and grip size made them reasonably pleasant to shoot with .357 Mags.. Personally, I'm not sure if I'd want to shoot .357 Mag. in a J frame, even one built to take it. Definitely not with any factory grips S&W mounts on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deacon View Post
    There are some large frame .38 Special revolvers where that would be safe, but it would definitely be risky with a J frame S&W, especially an older one. Knew one fellow who did it to a Colt Officers Model Match he occasionally hunted with and another who'd trim .357 Mag. cases to .38 Spl. length, load them to .357 Mag. ballistics, and use them when he hunted with his S&W 38-44 Outdoorsman. But those two guns were "overbuilt" for .38 Spl and their weight and grip size made them reasonably pleasant to shoot with .357 Mags.. Personally, I'm not sure if I'd want to shoot .357 Mag. in a J frame, even one built to take it. Definitely not with any factory grips S&W mounts on them.
    It's not pleasant, even with medium velocity loads! I reload my own ammo and stick to 38 +p+ loads with 125 gr. HP's. With an all steel revolver this size the recoil is not bad at all. Now the S&W airweight models with just +P's and factory grips is painful for me. I also have a 6in. GP100 and a 4in. 686 that are my 357's. By the way, that revolver(Old Chief) is beautiful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deacon View Post
    And, speaking of S&W J Frame .38's, picked this one up two weeks back. It's a mid 70's production square butt Chiefs Special and, IMHO, in excellent condition for its age.



    The factory grips were too small for me, so I replaced them with a Hogue One Piece Goncalo Alves grip this week. The Hogue grip feels great, but I think I'll modify it a bit in the future. IMHO, backstrap end of the butt doesn't need to be as long, or as fat, as it is so I'm thinking of rounding it off some. Holster is a Bianchi Covert Option IWB. Took me half dozen tries to find it, but it's comfy, the gun goes in and comes out easily, and it's easy to take off if the need arises.

    My grandfather has that same exact model, He was a carpenter and was working in an old store gutting the inside so it can be remodeled. He found the gun in brand new condition in a compartment under the store main counter. He notified the original store owner and he sold the gun to my grandfather for $100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBE View Post
    I'm a "Glock guy" personally. I'm especially fond of the new Gen 4s,
    I'm with you there, but I also love a good revolver! A snubby in a pancake holster becomes invisible and very comfy to carry! I also love single action capability, which is a benefit at longer ranges!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eric m. View Post
    I'm with you there, but I also love a good revolver! A snubby in a pancake holster becomes invisible and very comfy to carry! I also love single action capability, which is a benefit at longer ranges!
    I used to carry a snubbie...a little 2-1/2" 5-shot .38 Special until I decided that I'd be better served by something that was about the same size, just as reliable and held 5 extra rounds (Glock 26)
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