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    Manix2 154CM or CPM-S30V?

    I am thinking of picking up a Manix2 Black Blade and I don't know which steel they are made from.

    The Manix2 I have is 154CM, and the print Catalog I got from Spyderco this week says they are CPM-S30V, then the website says 154CM????

    If the Manix2 DLC is CPM-S30V I will probably go up an buy one this weekend.

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    There will be a rolling change if I am correct. I think that the price or each is so close now that they will be moving to CPM-S30V. Eventually all the Manix 2's will have CPM-S30V. I have some of the 154CM models and they are just awesome. I don't think that people give enough credit to 154CM. Good steel.

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    I agree, 154cm is such an under rated steel. I have a few fixed blade with 154 and they perform outstanding. I think the only advantage on the S30v Manix 2 is that it will be full flat ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgulbra View Post
    I agree, 154cm is such an under rated steel. I have a few fixed blade with 154 and they perform outstanding. I think the only advantage on the S30v Manix 2 is that it will be full flat ground.
    I also agree. 100%

    I find that 154CM is one of the easiest steels to sharpen if you need to do it yourself.
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    I'll take 154CM...and hollow ground. I don't see either as an improvement to the M2.
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    I really like the edge that 154CM takes.
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    Wait, if the new ones are FFG, will they still be offered in Spyderedge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgulbra View Post
    I agree, 154cm is such an under rated steel. I have a few fixed blade with 154 and they perform outstanding. I think the only advantage on the S30v Manix 2 is that it will be full flat ground.
    Full flat ground? When was that announced? To my knowledge it will remain a hollow grind (thank goodness). A bit of variety. I like my manix in 154 CM. A search for Longish term review DLC Manix should pop up my review I did and it has been a real workhorse.
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    I really like the edge that 154CM takes.
    Yeah, I'm with Chuck on this. I like it, and CPM 154 better than I like S30V, which is high praise. I do like S30V very much. I mean for stainless steels of course.....

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    I am getting the XL in S30V, should be in my hand next week, can't wait..

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    At one time, wasn't 154 the standard for edge retention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mastiff View Post
    Yeah, I'm with Chuck on this. I like it, and CPM 154 better than I like S30V, which is high praise. I do like S30V very much. I mean for stainless steels of course.....

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    Joe, I am sure it was just a typo but 154CM is the ingot version and CPM154 is the particle/powder version.

    If it was CPM 154 I doubt we would see a change as it is a fantastic all around steel for user and maker with a high obtainable hardness and fine micro structure. I have used the similar powder version RWL-34 for some time and it can take a high polish as well as a toothy edge and hold it well.

    According to Crucible data 154CM and CPM 154 have the same wear resistance, however with the advantage of the particle process and finer carbide structure the particle version can take a much finer edge and resist chipping or rolling (I believe this is an increase in strength if I remember my metallurgical terms correct).

    I am still waiting for Spyderco to do something with CPM 154 or RWL-34....it is a dream that seems will stay but a dream.
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    154 CM is a pretty good all round steel, I do find that S30V holds a useble edge a bit longer for me (my use, my sharpening) but 154 takes an edge easier. Pretty much a toss-up where I am concerned.

    I am hoping for some sales on the 154 models so I can pick up a CE to go with my PE. If not, I may look at the new lightweight in CE to try out the BD1. I am not a "steel snob" as the value of most supersteels are lost on me but I do like trying new stuff out.

    A 154 CM Manix pretty much blows away anything I even dreampt of having or using when I was younger.

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    I like to get me a manix2,never handled one before,little bit sceptic about the lock,have i to worry about it!if not i'm good to go for it.
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    What's this about all Manix2's going FFG? Even the CE/SE versions?
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    I think the FFG is a misspeak. The 2012 catalog has S30V Saber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgulbra View Post
    I agree, 154cm is such an under rated steel. I have a few fixed blade with 154 and they perform outstanding. I think the only advantage on the S30v Manix 2 is that it will be full flat ground.
    Agree completely. I find S30V a bit hard to sharpen but 154 is easy and they perform about the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenith View Post
    Full flat ground? When was that announced? To my knowledge it will remain a hollow grind (thank goodness). A bit of variety. I like my manix in 154 CM. A search for Longish term review DLC Manix should pop up my review I did and it has been a real workhorse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blerv View Post
    Yes, please, more hollow-grinds done right.
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    Both are excellent materials. 154 CM is an ingot material, very similar to VG-10. S30V uses a powder metallugy process to process.. Both hold a good edge well, S30V edge lasts longer, but 154CM keeps a super fine edge just a bit longer and is easier to sharpen. This is from what I've read I need more play to go further
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