Sal, can we please get a FRN Lava please???

[thelock]

Chad's designs are essentially for self defense, so try thrusting into something hard without jimping, then we will talk

[The Deacon]

Chad's designs are essentially for self defense, so try thrusting into something hard without jimping, then we will talk

I did twenty hard hits each, normal grip and reverse edge out, into a 2" thick phone book backed up by a couch cushion, with an oily hand. Index finger stayed hard up against the handle half of the choil, never touched the jimping, much less slid out of the choil and onto the blade. My opinion remains the same. Will say that if I were going to carry one for SD and planned to stab, rather than slash with it, I'd have someone round the butt a bit and put a false edge on the first half inch of the spine and I'd use it reverse edge out.

[thelock]

I guess we don't need knives with protective guards anymore, if you did all that with the lava. Phonebook might be different but what if you miss and hit steel or concrete? I don't think you would be happy lol

[Blerv]

Using jimping to stop your hand from a violent slide forward is like using grip tape on your car seat to avoid hitting the steering wheel. You're placing a TON of important on superficial surface friction. Being able to ramp bones and pads of muscle/fat against larger shapes has a better impact on grip during shock situations. I'm sure a little fiction helps but not as much.

IMHO jimping is nice for controlled cutting. It also gives psychological belief in safety. Great for a choil-grip which is all about precision (and not defense). Makes sense given the 2" +/-blade.


PS: If you're in a defense situation where an attacker is made of concrete...run like Hell.

[thelock]

The jimping makes a lot of difference in that design, I think it is easy to understand that, it is easier to slip up without jimping than with jimping, I mean come on? lol I have 4 years of training in Israeli knife fighting, a knife with a 2'' blade in the right hands can be more effective than one with a 6'' in the hands of someone with no training.

PS: I don't think you understood me, or wanted to understand, I said if you missed your target and hit steal or concrete, which is very easy to do, but to understand that you need a little bit of training and sparring, which I am guessing you don't have. It is also easy to spine wack the knife into something while in a self defense situation, that is why some companies if not all do those tests.

[Spygineer]

Would love the blue G10! I haven't bought a spydie in a while so I am long overdue! I'd be interested in a slight increase in blade length as well...It seems that the handle could accomodate a slightly longer blade. Just a thought.

[The Deacon]

I guess we don't need knives with protective guards anymore, if you did all that with the lava. Phonebook might be different but what if you miss and hit steel or concrete? I don't think you would be happy lol

IMHO, that would be the start of a seriously "sucks to be me today" day for you, regardless of whether the Lava had jimping or not. You're going to bash your fingers on the choil and thumb ramp and probably break the blade.

Whole thing's probably a moot point anyway. Far as I can see, there's no reason to think the new Lava won't have the same jimping as the original.

[SpyderNut]

I'm a little late to the party here. Is the idea of a FRN Lava the "real deal" or just wishful thinking? If it's the real deal, I would love to see a FRN version of this knife.

[thelock]

I'm a little late to the party here. Is the idea of a FRN Lava the "real deal" or just wishful thinking? If it's the real deal, I would love to see a FRN version of this knife.

This one will be G-10

[Donut]

Chad's designs are essentially for self defense, so try thrusting into something hard without jimping, then we will talk

That is an interesting statement when ALL self defense experts seem to be strongly anti-jimping.

[thelock]

I usually don't like choils and jimping on SD knives, but I like them on this one. ''ALL'' is a big word, I suggest you do some research on Chad, I have exchanged some emails with him, he is a very nice guy. He uses jimping in a lot of his designs, his other most famous design, the Boker Subcom, has jimping all over it.

BTW I am not trying to pick a fight or offend anyone here lol it is just a friendly conversation and sharing my own thoughts and experiences.

[Blerv]

I never said it wasn't useful. I said ergonomics play a better role. Doc Snubnose is a proponent of jimping and Fred Perrin uses it on his blades.

The Lava is a nice little blade. Mine is a wharnie now. Still has the jimping too. Perhaps beauty in the eye of the beholder but it seems to work better that way.

[GSO]

I wasn't around when the Lava was in production, but I sure would've considered one if I were. I can't say I'm really a fan of stainless steel handle material aesthetically, but I'd probably appreciate what additional heft it would offer for such a small knife (especially in a defensive role).

[tomoto]

Thank you sal, I am most definitely in for this one.

Given that this will be G10 with liners... I wonder if/how much weight savings we will see, perhaps 0.5 ounces (2.5 down from 3)? I love the beefy feel of the lava, but I always felt it was a bit stout for its size, although I'm sure that was one of its selling points (besides the ergos)

[The Deacon]

Thank you sal, I am most definitely in for this one.

Given that this will be G10 with liners... I wonder if/how much weight savings we will see, perhaps 0.5 ounces (2.5 down from 3)? I love the beefy feel of the lava, but I always felt it was a bit stout for its size, although I'm sure that was one of its selling points (besides the ergos)

Perhaps even a bit more. The G-10 Dragonfly weighs .6 oz less than the all stainless version, and I'd say there are more cubic inches of handle material on the Lava than on the D'fly, so the weight reduction is likely to be greater.

[FLYBYU44]

Just noticed this thread, I'm actually pretty excited about a sprint of the Lava. My stainless one is in my pocket as I type, probably my favorite knife Spyderco makes. I hope not much is changed besides the handle material. I may be in the minority on this, but I always liked the stainless handle on it. What I love about the design is a guy like me with larger hands can have a LBK and it fits my hand so nice and is 100% secure. Plus it feels like you have so much power and control over the small blade.

[Mallus]

Would it be possible to extend the blade a little while making the sprint run?

If the handle is the same shape as the original, there's room for a longer, pointier blade with slightly less pronounced belly.

...And while we're at it, blade steel variations wouldn't hurt either! Not that there's anything wrong with VG-10 but just to make things more interesting.

[sal]

Hi Mallus,

Changes, other than in material (such as blade shape) require new tooling. While we have had to make new tooling for some sprints, we prefer not to.

sal

[Mallus]

Hi Sal,

Thanx for your reply! Should have guessed there are obstacles on that course too...

Still, tooling for longer, pointier blade might boost the sales as that was one of the most often heard complaints with the original design, along the slippines and weight of the steel handle, that is. One can only wish!

[FLYBYU44]

Hi Sal,

Thanx for your reply! Should have guessed there are obstacles on that course too...

Still, tooling for longer, pointier blade might boost the sales as that was one of the most often heard complaints with the original design, along the slippines and weight of the steel handle, that is. One can only wish!

Most those complaints were probably from people who never
actually owned one.