View Poll Results: Which scale color for the S110V Native 5 do you prefer?

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    Hey guys, bit of newbie question here, but what exactly is a forum knife?

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    First post..Been a lurker for a while here, and a member on BF for a long time. But I had to comment on this thread. I have been looking at the Native 5 for a while, and just couldn't pull the trigger yet, not enough wow factor, other knives got ahead of it on the list.... But S110V and dark GREEN G10 is super WOW factor....bring it on!

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    +1 for stag arms green
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay_Ev View Post
    I am happy to see that S110V will be used in a future Native 5 but in my opinion it should not be a forum knife. Making it a forum knife seems rather selfish, IMHO. There are many, many, many Spyderco users out there who are not members of the forum who I am sure would like to try S110V steel and do not want a billboard of markings all over their blade. I don't think Spyderco should leave their customers out in the dark like that.
    Agreed...I thought Sal's post about an S110V Native was referring to general production, but looking at it again, that's not certain at all, I guess.


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    I'd like to throw in my 2 cents.

    Control and consistency is the name of the game. It is very difficult to get consistent results when tests are done with one knife made by this guy or one knife from another maker.

    We test with blades that are the same shape, same edge geometry, measured hardness, measured edge angles, consistent belts, etc.

    That's why we make Mule Teams, so you can play like we do in our lab.

    We are pleased to have visitors here like Cliff, Jim, Phil Wilson, Joe, etc. The opportunity to learn is very high.

    BTW, we're working on a Native5 in S110V and a Mule Team as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay_Ev View Post
    I am happy to see that S110V will be used in a future Native 5 but in my opinion it should not be a forum knife. Making it a forum knife seems rather selfish, IMHO. There are many, many, many Spyderco users out there who are not members of the forum who I am sure would like to try S110V steel and do not want a billboard of markings all over their blade. I don't think Spyderco should leave their customers out in the dark like that.
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    Good timing Chuck. Thanx. We're discussing that now. I think there is also some discussion about making it a forum knife. Eric's handling the projedct.sal
    Jay,
    I can be wrong, but it seems to me that Sal is talking about S110V Native run, part of which can be used for the Forum knife. The same deal, which was with Blue G10 Native.
    The smallest sprint, which I can remember was 400 pieces. There were never that many forum knives.
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    A few thoughts...

    If it is a forum knife, please leave the blade clean without too much text. Large text looks gaudy to me.

    Secondly, I understand the draw to a forum knife because it represent something you love, but not because of its exclusivity. Anyone can become a forum member. Anyone can become a forum member the day before a forum exclusive would go on sale. Besides that, isn't it spyderco that we love?

    Besides all that, in the other thread about a forum knife, a big talking point has been that the knife should be accessible to as many members as possible, ala UKPK. Are we just throwing that out the window because a shiny piece of 110v got flashed before our eyes. With this knife, not only will it not be as accessible to those with restrictive laws, but it may be financially out of reach as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niles View Post
    A few thoughts...

    If it is a forum knife, please leave the blade clean without too much text. Large text looks gaudy to me.

    Secondly, I understand the draw to a forum knife because it represent something you love, but not because of its exclusivity. Anyone can become a forum member. Anyone can become a forum member the day before a forum exclusive would go on sale. Besides that, isn't it spyderco that we love?

    Besides all that, in the other thread about a forum knife, a big talking point has been that the knife should be accessible to as many members as possible, ala UKPK. Are we just throwing that out the window because a shiny piece of 110v got flashed before our eyes. With this knife, not only will it not be as accessible to those with restrictive laws, but it may be financially out of reach as well.
    These are all very good points...but it was Sal who suggested that the N5 might be a forum knife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bh49 View Post
    Jay,
    I can be wrong, but it seems to me that Sal is talking about S110V Native run, part of which can be used for the Forum knife. The same deal, which was with Blue G10 Native.
    The smallest sprint, which I can remember was 400 pieces. There were never that many forum knives.
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    Ahh, very good - thanks for updating that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bh49 View Post
    Jay,
    I can be wrong, but it seems to me that Sal is talking about S110V Native run, part of which can be used for the Forum knife. The same deal, which was with Blue G10 Native.
    The smallest sprint, which I can remember was 400 pieces. There were never that many forum knives.
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    I see now. That is good info. BTW, the purple forum Native was only 300 pieces

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    Quote Originally Posted by JNewell View Post
    Ahh, very good - thanks for updating that.
    You welcome. But this is just my understanding, which can be wrong. I just want a little special Forum knife.
    Of cause this is not Milly, but I love FFG Natives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBySnooSnoo View Post
    These are all very good points...but it was Sal who suggested that the N5 might be a forum knife.
    Might be, might not be. Doesn't mean I'm wrong or right, but if the decision was obvious it wouldn't be up in the air like it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBySnooSnoo View Post
    The trouble with making an S110V knife with bolsters and expensive scales is that it seems foolish beyond belief to end up with a $250 or more knife, that is going to be a paperweight.

    Make it the dark green G10 that the majority seem to like, and make it a sprint...a knife that some might save and put away, but a lot will use. It deserves to be used. Maybe give us forum members a discount and the advanced sale option, but make it available for people to use. Spyderco has always said that they make knives to USE. So G-10 keeps it affordable and makes it much more of a user knife.

    If we get a G-10 native with S110V I will buy 2...I will use one as hard as I ever use a knife, and I will put one away for use later on. We get a $300 fancy Ti bolstered Native it will sit there and be useless for me and probably a lot of people.
    Quote Originally Posted by bh49 View Post
    I also would like to see para2 in this steel, but will take Native5 over it. Just cannot understand there did I get steelnut fewer

    I was looking at pre-order section at Howes and noticed that quite a few new Spydercos will hit $200+ barrier. It is hard to imagine that all of them will be a paperweights. I certainly love Ti Fluted Native much more than LionSpy. I just realized that in future I will be able to buy less knives than in the past Choices need to be made.
    Also keep in the mind that we had Forum knife three years ago and we do not know when we will have it again. Nobody asking money now, we can start saving.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay_Ev View Post
    I am happy to see that S110V will be used in a future Native 5 but in my opinion it should not be a forum knife. Making it a forum knife seems rather selfish, IMHO. There are many, many, many Spyderco users out there who are not members of the forum who I am sure would like to try S110V steel and do not want a billboard of markings all over their blade. I don't think Spyderco should leave their customers out in the dark like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBySnooSnoo View Post
    These are all very good points...but it was Sal who suggested that the N5 might be a forum knife.
    I am just going to repond to all these.
    As BH said the new knives are at the $200 barrier already so do not expect a Native 5 w/s110v to be much different. Its going to be expensive already a few minor changes to make it a nicer knife or forum knife is not going to add too much and maybe we will get some kind of discount.

    I agree that adding new idea might prolong production but we are not the ones deciding. Sal & team already mentioned possibly making this a forum knife, not us and they are the ones ready to work on the scales. Sal mentioned he wanted to watch this thread so see where we take it and help with ideas. For all we know they could have already made a decision. It doesn't hurt to put other ideas out there and Sal & team will decide what they want then they are ready. We are not prolonging anything.

    I use all my knives no matter what the cost; thats why i buy them. I can't help it if they turn out to be expensive. I do not have any shelf queens. i know others feel differently on what they do with their knives because of cost. Regular production knives this year look like they will be around the $200 barrier. I do not like the price, but I guarantee I will still use them. So the comment about Spyderco making affordable knives so they are users is kind of null/void.
    Even if they keep this knife a regular production model and choose not to make it a forum knife; it will be expensive. I will buy one no matter what, but if it becomes a forum knife, I will buy 2.

    Maybe they can do a forum knife with a certain # of knives and still do regular production. The only difference really would be the writing on the blade. Its obvious that Sal & Team will be making the forum knife and just look at our ideas to help them decide, we are not the ones actually designing it or making the choices, just suggestions.

    I am not picking fights, I am just expressing my opinions. However It does look like most of us agree on Dark green of some sort so maybe thats what Sal will go with and I am happy with that. I just think if its a Forum knife we should go the extra mile
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    I think that if Strider can do a SnG in S110V and keep it within the same cost range as thier S30V model, then Spyderco could achieve the same with an S110V Native. Secondary market prices will jump when they are sold out, but I just don't see this hitting $200+
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    Quote Originally Posted by INFRNL View Post
    I am just going to repond to all these.
    As BH said the new knives are at the $200 barrier already so do not expect a Native 5 w/s110v to be much different. Its going to be expensive already a few minor changes to make it a nicer knife or forum knife is not going to add too much and maybe we will get some kind of discount.
    Except that the changes that are being brough up now...are things like Ti bolsters...which will add quite a bit to the cost.

    And a forum knife should be accessible to as many people as possible. I personally have no issues with spending $200+ on a knife that is going to give me years of use. But...once you start adding Ti bolsters and driving the cost up, you are likely to see fewer people interested or able to afford it.

    Plus, in the past forum knives have mainly been fairly low cost knives that are more or less the same as a standard production knife. Why this sudden urge for everyone to build their ultimate dream knife as the forum knife. Can't we just be happy that a) Sal and Co are thinking about doing a forum knife for us and b) that it might be such a great steel upgrade like going from S35VN to S110V?
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    I'd be happy with any color..so long as it isn't garish..anything pink or purple or light blue or bright green or orange will close my wallet right quick. I plan on using this knife, and will never carry anything like that.. Something in a deep, dark Earth tone is ideal.. Or a red so deep and dark it can appear black..
    As far as a potential price point.. Obviously, something closer to 1 bill is preferred over 2 bills. But I'd still get one if it ends up being that expensive.. Just because.. If it's going to be a forum knife, it ought to be something great..
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    Just to keep the opinions going.......I give a thumbs down to bolsters of any kind.....

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    IMO a forum knife should be in the expense range that MOST of the forum members would be able to afford and or want to spend.

    That would be best for Spyderco and the customers both in the end.

    A dream knife really isn't a realistic thought process for a forum knife and the expense would be a huge deterrent for the majority.

    Customs are the way to go for a dream knife, that way each person can get what they want or have the options, their only limit is their own wallet.

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    Agreed....no bolsters on a Native
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    Agreed with Ankerson. Forum knives should be attainable to the masses. While I don't see a 110v Native G10 hittin $200 on the primary market, it's going to shut out some folks out who are great contributers of this place.
    Last edited by Blerv; 01-29-2012 at 09:49 PM.
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