Dual saw?

[jackknifeh]

Hello,
My wife told me the other day she wanted to get me a tool she saw on tv. I've always told her NEVER to buy me a tool as a surprise because I may not want it or I may already have one. To my surprise she did tell me about this one and it really looks great (they always do on tv and inet). It is similar to a circular saw. This one has two blades that sit beside each other and spin in opposite directions. Check this ad out if you are curious:

https://www.newdualsawquadforce.com/...next?tag=he|af

If anyone has used one of these I'd love to know what you think.

Thanks,
Jack

[Corvid1]

Jack,
I’m very skeptical about the dual saw quad force; it sounds too good to be true. I did a minimal amount of checking (rec.woodworking). As I understand it, Sears was selling a similar product several years ago, but subsequently dropped it. Additionally, master huckster Billy Mays was hawking them. Personally, I’d be very dubious about anything that this master huckster had a hand in.

Caw, caw, caw!

tim

[Donut]

I would be afraid that it could be very dangerous if one of the blades bent wrong.

[angusW]

The commercial makes it look like one pretty awesome saw but I would wait a bit to read about other users experiences with it. That's the problem with these commercials. They make the product they're selling look like the next best thing to sliced bread but it could be junk. Maybe wait until it hit's Home Depot with a live display. Then you could try it out yourself.

The first thing I thought of was, how easy would it be to get replacement blades and how much would they cost. I just googled it and went to an Amazon page selling it. There are 8 people giving it 5 stars and 18 people giving it 1 star. For $180 I would hold back a bit. One of the people giving it a review reported it was difficult to get blades and they were expensive.

[jackknifeh]

The commercial makes it look like one pretty awesome saw but I would wait a bit to read about other users experiences with it. That's the problem with these commercials. They make the product they're selling look like the next best thing to sliced bread but it could be junk. Maybe wait until it hit's Home Depot with a live display. Then you could try it out yourself.

The first thing I thought of was, how easy would it be to get replacement blades and how much would they cost. I just googled it and went to an Amazon page selling it. There are 8 people giving it 5 stars and 18 people giving it 1 star. For $180 I would hold back a bit. One of the people giving it a review reported it was difficult to get blades and they were expensive.

The blades were a concern for me also. I sent an email requesting info on them, different types, price etc. Ink jet computer printers can be very cheap ($100 or less) but the ink cartridges are $25 plus. They make their money on the repeat sales of ink. Interesting about the ratings on Amazon. I'll definately check it out.

Jack

[ceya]

Jack,
I’m very skeptical about the dual saw quad force; it sounds too good to be true. I did a minimal amount of checking (rec.woodworking). As I understand it, Sears was selling a similar product several years ago, but subsequently dropped it. Additionally, master huckster Billy Mays was hawking them. Personally, I’d be very dubious about anything that this master huckster had a hand in.

Caw, caw, caw!

tim

Well he gone so if he has something in his hand, it is not physical.

Some of the stuff he sold does work the soap, chamois and a few others I personally bought and works well.

Remember people are skeptics, I remember when Spyderco first started to show up in NYC about 89-1990 people was like knife with a clip. You will loose it, it may fall off your belt. Many years later, here we are with more Spydercos on a belt than you can count.

Do your home work, educate yourself on the product and if necessary you may have to buy to see what other may have been missing.

S/F
CEYA!

[jackknifeh]

I don't know about that just because it is an unknown brand and I like to stick with name brands for tools.

I believe that the Sears dual saw was tested in either consumer reports or popular mechanics, and they had awesome results with it. The two bladed system really did counteract binding and make cutting a smoother experience.

I like to stick with brands I have used and liked also. I'll be checking it out. If Sears did have a similar product it might be that there was some manufacturing or design problem that caused it to be discontinued or maybe just not enough advertising. Then if we see it on the shelf we don't pay enough attention just because we never heard of it before. Also, maybe the problems have been solved if there were any. I think the fact that a similar product was in existance means the technology is sound concerning the blade rotation theory. Now it may be a matter of design and manufacturing with quality parts, etc. I believe unless I come across significant evidence against the tool I'll probably give it a try. If it does work like on tv it will be an awsome tool. One thing I will understand thoroughly before buying though is the return policy.

Jack

[Corvid1]

CEYA,

I’m sorry if I offended you with comments that I made about Billy Mays. I didn’t intend to offend you or anyone else.

In my post, I stated that I’d done minimal checking on the product. The information that I found was sufficient to cause me to be wary of the product and I said so; It’s my opinion.

As a practical matter, it’s highly unlikely that I’d purchase a power tool online from a co. or brand that I’d had no prior experience with. Additionally, before I did any checking on the product I was unaware that Mr. Mays had any involvement with it.

Indeed, I’ve had no personal experience with products that Mr. Mays represented in TV commercials. However, based on representations by two or three friends (and my brother) who made negative comments about Mr. Mays, his sales tactics, his voracity and that the product(s) hadn’t performed as promised. Although the information I’d received was second-hand, I’d viewed Mr. Mays commercial presentations and found them irritating, to say the least. Neither my friends, nor my brother had any reason to make it up the information that they’d provided. I’m pleased that you had positive experiences with products that Mr. Mays was selling in TV commercials.

"Homework", you can be certain that if I was purchasing a product based on a TV ad, that I’d do “my homework”.

Indeed, many people were skeptics when it came to Spyderco knives in the late 80’s – early 90’s; and in 2011 many people still can’t see carrying a Spyderco (to this, I just shake my head). I fail to see what this has to do with Mr. Mays; for me, it’s a non sequitur.

Finally, I have a right to my opinion, even if you believe it poorly reasoned; regardless, I'm truly sorry for having offended you.

Caw, caw, caw!

tim

[Donut]

He didn't sound offended.

Now that I think about it, the way the saw works, it seems like you'd be taking a lot of material out of what you're cutting. If you have a 1 foot piece of PVC and cut it 4 times, you might be left with 11" of PVC overall.

[ceya]

I did not take it as an offense to me, and neither should you.

Remember he got paid for promoting an item, it irrataed you so much that you remember him. It worked because you remember that guy on the informercials.

Now for his products Oxiclean does work as well as a few others.

Again you have to test things yourself, remember you may like something your brother don't or see a different view.

This is not directed toward you in an ill manner but to see for yourself..

People get irked about Lynn and his PROOF videos for Cold Steel, again not for everybody but his products work.

As i stated before investigated and educated on the product.
then make sound judgement on facts

S/F,
CEYA!

[jzmtl]

I recall people talking about the Sears version a few years back, a guy who bought one didn't have anything bad to say about it.

[Corvid1]

You say that Mr. Mays irritated me because he was paid to sell various products. On the face of it, your statement is incredibly presumptuous. Hell, you don’t know anything about me; let alone what irritates or motivates me.

Let me say this; a few things about myself, then I’ll say no more. I am Anishinaabi, an enrolled tribal member, member of the raven clan, a tribal elder and warrior. Being a tribal elder means an individual has seen quite a few winters and nearly as many summers. I am not ignorant or stupid as has often been the concerted opinion of hypercritical and judgmental individuals.

So, do not presume that I’m a misguided individual, who doesn’t think before he acts. Beyond anything else, do not imagine that you can guide me through the process of making an informed decision. Quite simply, you don’t have the time.

tim

[jackknifeh]

I just was hoping to get opinions about the saw from people who knew something about it. Now it appears that people may be getting upset over what is probably a misunderstanding because communicating with text alone is so limited. When the other types of communication are not present it is very hard to say what you mean and have it interpreted correctly. The other communication types are things like facial expressions, tone of voice, body language, etc. If I've interpreted anythin incorrectly, my bad. I don't really know because I don't know anyone here personally.

Jack

[SQSAR]

I think you're fine Jack. Simple and honest question.

[ceya]

You say that Mr. Mays irritated me because he was paid to sell various products. On the face of it, your statement is incredibly presumptuous. Hell, you don’t know anything about me; let alone what irritates or motivates me.

Let me say this; a few things about myself, then I’ll say no more. I am Anishinaabi, an enrolled tribal member, member of the raven clan, a tribal elder and warrior. Being a tribal elder means an individual has seen quite a few winters and nearly as many summers. I am not ignorant or stupid as has often been the concerted opinion of hypercritical and judgmental individuals.

So, do not presume that I’m a misguided individual, who doesn’t think before he acts. Beyond anything else, do not imagine that you can guide me through the process of making an informed decision. Quite simply, you don’t have the time.

tim

Did I offend you?

It was just general on the comment not to you.

I never said you was stupid, dumb.

Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

Nothing is personal on here.

You are your own person and since I don't know you I cannot influence you.

This why I stay off the forums.



S/F,
CEYA!

[jeep45238]

Back to the saw, ladies.

[jackknifeh]

He didn't sound offended.

Now that I think about it, the way the saw works, it seems like you'd be taking a lot of material out of what you're cutting. If you have a 1 foot piece of PVC and cut it 4 times, you might be left with 11" of PVC overall.

I hadn't thought of that. With 2 blades it may take up to 1/4" of material. I just watched the demo again and it does create a thick cut. I guess that is a small price to pay if it is as good as it looks (a big if). Also after watching it again I wonder about a base. It looks like they use it free hand making it hard to make sure you are cutting at a 90 deg. angle, or 45 deg. which are the two angles I would use most of the time. Lack of a base would be a big negative when it comes to woodworking or as least the type work I do around the house. Wait, I just looked again and read you can get an accessory package that converts it into a circular saw with a base and laser guide for $60. Definately a plus but also more money. Another thing is no matter how convenient it is to have many tools encorporated in one, what happens if the motor fails. You then loose all the tools instead of just one. In a case like this convenience is it' own pro and con. So, if I get one of these I shouldn't sell the old ones. Not a problem. Two things I seldom do concerning old tools. I almost never buy used tools and never sell my old tools. By the time I want to get rid of a tool it's because it's not worth owning much less selling. Didn't mean to get long winded, just typing out loud.

Jack