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    Boker Plus-Karambit Plus Review:Chad Los Banos Design

    Boker Plus/Karambit Plus: Review of a Chad Los Banos Design
    By Sifu Dr. Jan L. Miller

    Boker
    Style Karambit
    Recurved Tanto Blade
    Designer: Chad Los Banos
    Framelock
    440C Steel
    Titanium Coated
    Blade Length 2 7/8”
    Overall Length 7 ¾”
    Spring Assisted Carabiner
    G-10 Handle

    The Filipino style Karambit has become popular here in the west with martial artists because the bio mechanics of the weapon allows for more powerful cutting strikes, especially against an attacker’s limbs. A Karambit even with a short blade acts like an animal’s claw and is capable of inflicting painful ripping damage when slashed across the attacker’s hands and muscle groups in the arms and legs. The hooked portion of the blade can be used to trap an opponent’s limbs by exploiting the natural instinct to avoid being cut. If the brachial, femoral or carotid arteries are severed with a Karambit blade the results can be lethal and can make up for it’s ineffectiveness as a lethal stabbing weapon due in part to its curved blade shape. The ring at the Karambits pommel end allows the index finger or pinky finger a place to slip into to insure stability in hand when grasping the knife in either Filipino, Ice Pick (Pikal), or Hammer Grip. It will also provide the additional advantage of preventing an attacker from disarming the knife.

    Boker’s new Karambit designed by Chad Los Banos, sent to me for testing and review is a really good example of a traditional Karambit style knife combined with some modern design features which makes it an excellent tool for Self-Defense. First off the blade design is different from most Karambits. This Chad Los Banos creation sports a blackened Recurved Tanto style blade. It has all the features one would want in a Karambit, hooking ability with it’s curved blade, and slashing power, but add a twist of the Tanto front portion of the blade and what do you get? You get a Karambit that can be used very effectively for stabbing.

    On one side of Boker’s Karambit there is the framelock and pocket clip, the other side has an ergonomically designed handle made from grippy G-10 material. The handle has 4 sets of holes so the user has the option of tip up or tip down positions for pocket carry. There is jimping on the back of the blade and very aggressive jimping on the top spine side of the handle as well, place your thumb pad on the jimping and it makes for a very secure grip in hand. I have small hands and the handle is quite large, measuring almost 5” from front to back. I can place my whole hand very comfortably around the handle in a forward grip position without placing any fingers in the ring hole at the pommel side. When I place my pinky finger in the ring and grasp in forward grip my thumb can still reach both sets of jimping on the knife’s spine. The top curvature of the handle assures that the handle lies snug into the palm of the hand for a perfect Filipino style grip position. In pikal grip position with my index finger through the hole, I find the knife to be less comfortable, but I can overcome this awkwardness by not inserting my index finger all the way through the ring hole and then by pressing the top of the ring (outside edge) with thumb pressure to insure a solid grip. Those individuals with medium to large size hands won’t find this to be a problem for them. And those individuals who have extra-large hands will really appreciate the length of the handle as well as the large ring hole (1” in diameter) at the pommel end. The ring because of its size makes for an excellent striking device when a less than lethal option is desired. The Karambit ring also has an interesting spring assisted carabiner which gives the user many optional ways of attaching this knife to their person or equipment without having to use the pocket clip carry method.

    I found this Karambit to be very lively in the hands while practicing knife drills and two man sets. It performed flawlessly as a trapping device on my partner’s limbs. It also proved to have excellent penetration ability through numerous types of materials and possessed superior slicing and cutting dynamics most often associated with hawkbill designed blade shapes.

    For those who might be in the market for a Karambit whose design lends itself well as a defensive tool, you’ll want to check out this beautiful and effective design by Chad Los Banos. I like to think of it as not only a Boker Plus but a Karambit Plus knife. Kudos to Boker for production fit and finish of this well made knife and Kudos to the designer Chad Los Banos for his ingenious design. Once you handle this knife and see how it is designed you will understand that Chad Los Banos just doesn’t design a knife but he designs a knife with mental acuity leaving no stone left unturned. He is truly an incredible designer of knives.

    Here’s a link to view this knife enlarged http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecent.../BO01BO580.jpg

    (Sifu Dr. Jan Miller is a Master Instructor of Shaolin Kung Fu, Tai Chi Chuan and Filipino Stick and Dagger Fighting at the Dragon Tiger Kung Fu Center in Smithtown, New York. Dr. Miller has an extensive background in many different forms of Martial Arts, including Boxing, Wrestling, Fencing, Judo, Karate, Several Styles of Chinese Kung Fu, Filipino Stick and Dagger Fighting, and the Western and Asian Forms of Knife Fighting. His colleagues across the United States know him best for his expertise with many different forms of bladed weapons.)

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    Ripping and piercing in one design. Evolutionary.

    It would be informative to see the Spyderco Karambit pictured with this incarnation of the karambit form. I wonder if the karambit design is of Moro origin?

    I've read that karambits are issued to US federal air marshals as an alternative to their firearms.

    Interesting and understandable review Dr. Thank you for your efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oregon View Post
    Ripping and piercing in one design. Evolutionary.

    It would be informative to see the Spyderco Karambit pictured with this incarnation of the karambit form. I wonder if the karambit design is of Moro origin?

    I've read that karambits are issued to US federal air marshals as an alternative to their firearms.

    Interesting and understandable review Dr. Thank you for your efforts.

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    Karambits are Indonesian in origin with roots from Maylasia (sp?) and the Philippines...US Federal Air Marshals are carrying them as well as what you might call a poor mans karambit...the S&W Neck knife called the "HRT" It's a cool little hawkbill neck knife...they wear it as a necker with one button removed from the shirt and replaced by sewn in velcro attachment for easy access to the Knife....Be assured they are carrying a firearm as well and they know how to use them...I have trained some of them in the past....with both weapons and empty hands...Doc
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    Very cool review Doc., but honestly through the time I cant recall a single one from you that was not so good Seems, like you got the 2nd generation of CLB Kbit, the reinforced models, has more 'pillars' in the back as well as in the ring, reinforced `biner and 4 way clip.
    I have the 1st gen, which is not bad, but I think the 2nd one is huge step FWD very much deserved for this knife.

    Dont wanna piss off the guys over at Boker, but I think any of the last Chad`s designs would definitely deserve a better OEM manufacturer than the current one they are using over in PRC. The Taiwan stuff was top notch in that price class, but I see the tendency of going down within the PRC made series, folders only. You cannot mess up too many things on a FB, can you?

    Personally I would be willing to pay 20 EUR/30USD more in MSRP for a higher end CLB product, as the designs are genious!!! I have SOME idea about the OEM mfg. costs overseas and I can tell that the lil extra cost in mfg would definitely GAIN a lot in the performance.

    Dont wanted to hi-jack your thread, hope you dont mind my comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Snubnose View Post
    US Federal Air Marshals are carrying them as well as what you might call a poor mans karambit...the S&W Neck knife called the "HRT" It's a cool little hawkbill neck knife...they wear it as a necker with one button removed from the shirt and replaced by sewn in velcro attachment for easy access to the Knife....Be assured they are carrying a firearm as well and they know how to use them...I have trained some of them in the past....with both weapons and empty hands...Doc
    I had one of those. Yes, nothing fancy, cheap but expedient and handy nonetheless. Sheath could have been better designed though such as friction-fit kydex.

    Now the Swick replaced it and a world of difference it is!

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    You gotta admit... they do design cool knives!



    Hey Doc,

    While on the topic of primitive knives...what are your thoughts (and possibly research) on pipe knives? ..like the ones styled on primitive tubular bone knives!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clawhammer View Post
    You gotta admit... they do design cool knives!



    Hey Doc,

    While on the topic of primitive knives...what are your thoughts (and possibly research) on pipe knives? ..like the ones styled on primitive tubular bone knives!
    Ay Clawhammer, Pipe Knives are really cool, once a favorite hunting dagger for those who hunted Boar, as most could be attached to make a short spear. The interesting thing about them specially for those interested in a SD tool is that they are sharpened double edge, and if one where to stab and twist, it will open a wound up to twice the size of the original puncture. Pretty cool for tubular bone...There are a few companies out there making them in 1095 steel If memory serves me correctly...but I can't remember the name right now.....Doc
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    Hi Doc., I posted this one over at USN too, as discussed. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 224477 View Post
    Hi Doc., I posted this one over at USN too, as discussed. Thanks.
    Thanks Jano, Hope the Boys and Girls over at USN enjoy the review.....Thanks for requesting it....Doc
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    Great review Doc.

    I like the curvature of the Spyderco version and other similar models a bit better. It's a weapon SO far out of my league that I guess it doesn't matter. =) It probably slashes much better than the traditional design.

    I really like Chad's design though with the serious point, mini-hawkbill portion, etc. The ergonomics look fantastic. Does the ring feel comfy?

    Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blerv View Post
    Great review Doc.

    I like the curvature of the Spyderco version and other similar models a bit better. It's a weapon SO far out of my league that I guess it doesn't matter. =) It probably slashes much better than the traditional design.

    I really like Chad's design though with the serious point, mini-hawkbill portion, etc. The ergonomics look fantastic. Does the ring feel comfy?
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    Blerv: VERY...specially if you have medium to large sized hands...Small hands...pinky thru the ring...not so comfy....index finger, more comfortable.....Hope that helps....Doc
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    Great review!

    Great review! 5 seconds after reading it, I purchased one on my favorite auction site!

    I really like the carabinger clip on the ring because I was always confused on whether the solid circular rings on karambits could cause the tool to be viewed as a brass knuckle. Do any LEOs have any thoughts on this?

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMAKNut View Post
    Great review! 5 seconds after reading it, I purchased one on my favorite auction site!

    I really like the carabinger clip on the ring because I was always confused on whether the solid circular rings on karambits could cause the tool to be viewed as a brass knuckle. Do any LEOs have any thoughts on this?

    Thanks!
    FMAKnut
    Don't quote me on this one, but to the best of knowledge by law...there would have be three rings on it to be considered a brass knuckle. A few months ago a wife of a student of mine, forgot about her twin spiked two finger holed keychain called the Cat, in her purse while trying to board an airplane...they told her since it only had two protruding spikes it was considered a novelty, but if it had three they would have had to arrest her for carrying a brass knuckle...needless to say they took it from her before boarding....Doc
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