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It has been my observation that there is no requirement that laws be either logical or necessary. When you have a group of people whose job it is to create laws, you wind up with laws being created just to give the appearance of "doing something". At least that's the case here in the States. If it's different where you live, if all your laws make perfect sense, then either you are blessed or your current system of government has not been in place long enough for your lawmakers to start dreaming up totally idiotic ones.
I think it absolutely retarded that I can NOT own an automatic knife or a balisong but can own a Ak 47 and a shotgun and can LEGALLY carry a .44 magnum or 21 shot 9mm Beretta. I do obey laws even if I dont agree with them but silly is as silly does.Many people have been killed with butcher knives and such so if a small auto or balisong is illegal it makes me think we need to change the laws.
I think this forum was good. I'm pretty new to Spyderco forum but have enjoyed it. This is the first one that I have read all the way through. As users we need to know at least the basic laws so we don't buy something that will get us or others in trouble with the law. If you do already have something illegal just DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Why is that so hard to do?
imo: WE ALL SHOULD BE ABLE TO OWN ANY KINFE WE WANT!!! Is the issue dealing with crime or safety? Switchblade knives, assisted opening knives and such are definately a little more unsafe than a normal folding knife. I tried someone's assisted opening knife and carelessly cut myself a little. I also put a scratch on a beautiful chair. This is done by not being careful as to how close the kinfe was to something else when I opened it. I now babysit my grandson and hate to think what might happen if he got hold of one (or any knife of course). The only difference in the assisted open blades is the force of the spring. Some are pretty strong. He can't walk yet but I've already thought about it. I also would be hesitant to loan an assisted opening knife to someone not familiar with them. Who hasn't had someone say "Can I borrow your knife"? That happened to me once in a bar by someone I didn't know. Drinking people and very sharp objects. Not the best combo. I said I didn't have one because I didn't know the guy or how much he had had to drink. I'm not going to get an assisted opening knife for those reasons. I understand "assisted opening knifes" are legal.
Guns fall into the same catagory as far as I'm concerned. Every single gun or knife is a tool. How it is used is the issue. If I rob a convenience store using a long screwdriver will I be charged the same as if I used a knife or gun? I do think that automatic guns are a bit extreme for the normal homeowner but that's just because I don't want one. A gun is not an everyday tool in the USA now except for a handful of people that hunt for food. I don't mean the hunter that eats what he kills. I mean someone that needs to hunt for food. Very few of those people left in America. Before I offend anyone I'm not against hunting. I've hunted myself. If someone eats what they kill there is nothing wrong with that imo. BUT, if you shoot something just for fun that shows a level of maturity that is really low. I said maturity because I don't know how many birds I killed with my pellet rifle as a kid. I regret that now.
I've strayed a little, back to knives only.
As a crime issue why can't the law change to something like this: If you use a deadly weapon to threaten someone with harm or death you will be charged as if you actually did harm or kill that person. Example: I, in a right state of mind, rob a bank with a switchblade knife. I could be charged with pre-meditated murder and subject to whatever sentence is possible for me as if I did kill someone even if I never touched or hurt anyone. The USE of the tool would be the issue, not the fact that it was manufactured legally and I bought and owned it legally. If that was the law the rest of us could continue to open boxes, cut string, work around the house or on the job using any kind of knife we want.
When I started typing this was going to be a really short post. Sorry.
Last edited by jackknifeh; 08-02-2010 at 07:49 AM.
This message is for TazKristi:
Fortunately I fall into the LEO catagory and can own any knife I want. Kansas where I'm from even includes EMS and a few other professions that are able to carry autos and bali's that have not been discussed here. (Not sure how that stands federally). I know I am a few years behind, however I was just introduced to the Spyderfly and would like to own one for work. I would like to know how to aquire one and how to get it to me. If you would rather not say on a forum due to any number of complications I can think of arrising, as an administrator you can send an email to me or ask me to call.
To all other members who have posted:
All of the discusion on this forum regarding laws restricting or not restricting, and the exceptions to the rule; I have yet to see but a very few laws that do not have exceptions or that can be enforced by the pure black and white printing in the law books or a way around it. KaliGman has stated it several times, the one thing that the law cannot account for is what every single person has- an opinion. Someone out there will always disagree.
Deacon, thanks for the info and I guess I'm left with, more than likely fruitless, effort of waiting for Spyderco to make a very similar knife in the future. Or settle for the smallfly. Thanks
If this is all true, how does a company like microtech exist? I dont know too many cops that want a $600 knife...
I know this a little OT, but to the original poster who is, I think in law enforcement. How long until the feds redefine the legal definition of the switchblade to include assisted open knives. I would bet good money that's coming up next across the US not just in NY. You mentioned disposing of these illegal knives responsibly. Can you tell me how to do that? If the law is yet again redefined any chance we will see local buy back programs for folding knives?
There's no reason why a balisong should be banned. Why, I can open my Endura faster than most balisongs.... I think. Unfortunately, due to the genius of our lawmakers, I can't compare. However, a wave should be faster, IMO. Anyways, aside from that, a balisong is a knife. It's no more dangerous than another folding knife, just more flashy.
Maybe I can see switchblades, because they open too "fast", but still. Fixed blades open faster.
A knife is a knife, unless it's a ballistic knife. No reason to have special restrictions on certain types of knives. Honestly, I wish the second amendment could have been written better, to allow more freedom. But then again, I guess they didn't even think of knives then, since everyone who had pants had a knife.
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Obey the law, but make an effort to change it when it doesn't make sense.
CA banned open carry on the 1st of Jan 2011, which means since we're a shall not issue state a law abiding citizen can no longer carry a gun at all.
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I didn't know they banned carry in CA. That sucks. Some states like to follow CA. So this could be bad for everyone.
Personally, I blame the switchblade/bali laws on the actor Russ Tamblyn who waved a cheapo blade around during the rumble scene in West Side Story.
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