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    Introducing the world's smallest gun that fires deadly 300mph bullets - but is just TWO inches long
    By ANDY DOLAN - More by this author Last updated at 16:39pm on 5th March 2008

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    Meet the pistol that fits in your pocket - and packs a hell of a punch.

    The SwissMiniGun is the size of a key fob but fires tiny 270mph bullets powerful enough to kill at close range.

    Officially the world's smallest working revolver, the gun is being marketed as a collector's item and measures just 2.16 inches long (5.5cm). It can fire real 4.53 bullets up to a range of 367ft (112m).

    The stainless steel gun costs 3,000 although the manufacturers also produce extravagant, made-to-order versions made out of 18-carat gold with customised diamond studs which sell for up to 30,000.





    At just over two inches long it is the world's smallest gun - but the 300mph bullets it fires mean it is still deadly

    It cannot be imported into the UK, and buyers in Switzerland and Europe must produce an import permit from police to obtain one.

    The gun is banned from being imported into the US - because it's barrel is less than three inches, meaning it is deemed too small to qualify for sporting purposes.

    Jonathan Spencer, consultant forensic scientist and firearms expert, said that although the gun, which fires bullets at a speed of 399 feet a second, was tiny, it could still prove fatal and in the eyes of the law was as dangerous as a machine gun.

    He said: "The general threshold for perforating the skin is about 330 feet a second.

    "Apart from bone, skin offers the greatest resistance to penetration. If it can pass through the skin it is potentially lethal, even if the bullets are small.

    "If you shoved something 3mm across into someone's chest you could kill them. It's the same with these bullets, they could penetrate the heart.

    "It is capable of killing someone. Under section 5 of the Firearms Act it would be a prohibited weapon. It would be on the same scale as a machine gun."

    The gun shoots 2.34 mm calibre rim fire ammunition especially developed for it as the smallest rim fire ammunition in the world.



    The Swiss Minigun, which is being marketed as a collector's item, is just 5.5cm long, and fires 4.53mm bullets up to 112 metres



    It weighs in at just 0.7oz (19.8grams) and fires live and blank ammunition.

    The gun is the first product of the SwissMiniGun company, a gunsmiths based at La Chaux-de-Fonds, Switzerland.

    Owner Paul Erard said that since the product's launch three years ago, the firm had sold around 300 of the guns, mainly to collectors in the Middle and Far East.

    He said: "We are producing in very small quantities - perhaps 25 gold guns and 100 steel guns a year, and there is a six month waiting list to get one.

    "We will make whatever the customer wishes for. The most expensive version we have sold cost 30,000 and was covered in diamonds and came with a gold chain."

    Other bespoke finishes available include ebony grips, hand engraved grips, gold grips with diamonds or collared precious stones.

    Mr Erard said that although the double action revolver is similar in appearance to a Colt Python full-size weapon, it was actually based on a Swiss-made revolver.

    In September 2006 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives(ATF) in New York issued a warning about the gun after being alerted by a police officer who spotted it on a website.

    Special Agent William McMahon said the gun was so small it could pass for a key fob, and warned it made the perfect stealth weapon for serious criminals.

    But Mr Erard denied the gun was deadly and said it was only a tenth as powerful as some air guns.

    "Since September 11 there has been a lot of paranoia in America", he said.

    "It is ridiculous. Why would criminals want my gun when you can go out and buy a Kalashnikov there already?"

    A Guinness World Records spokesman confirmed the gun held the record as the word's smallest working revolver.
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    very cool but how do you aim that thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaislandboy View Post
    very cool but how do you aim that thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrappraisit View Post
    Very Carefully
    and what size forceps/tweezers are needed to load those micro cartridges that propel the bullet at anywhere from 270 to 399 fps
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    What if it's trick photography and the gun is a typical size and the hand is that of a GIANT?
    A side note: I can barely get a Byrd Robin back together, let alone load that gun. It is cool though.
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    ROFL, wonder what it'd look like with a C-More optical sights mounted on it so you can aim it properly !!!

    Specially made ammo would make this one a collectors. WOuldn't want to take it to the range to push 500 rounds downrange to break it in
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    Although the rounds are probably going 300 mph, im willing to bet that although you PERFECT shot placement which out a .5" barrel is probably a moot point those rounds are not going to have the energy to penetrate very much. Much like birdshot for self defense, but with only one pellet.
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    Tiny Revolver

    At under 400 feet per second, this thing is developing about the velocity of one of the low velocity "starter" or "kid's" BB guns. The Daisy Red Ryder ("You'll shoot your eye out, kid.") BB gun develops about 350 fps. A BB weighs more than the tiny little projectile from this device, so the BB would have far more energy. There is a slim possibility, using this device, of death if you placed the muzzle up against someone's eye and squeezed the trigger. In reality, in most situations, if you depended on this little toy as a weapon, you would do more damage putting the tiny little thing between the first knuckles of the first and second fingers of your hand and then punching someone with it. This is a toy and a curio, nothing more. If I remember correctly, the thing that makes these little toys borderline as to legality is the fact that they do not use compressed air or other gases, but use an explosive detonation (I believe when I first saw these things I was told that it was similar to primer compound used in rimfire cartridges) to propel their tiny little projectile. I may be wrong on the propellant--it has been awhile since I've seen something like this. Miniatures like this have been around for some time. These devices are basically "gun jewels." An incredible example of detailed hand work to make the tiniest firearm imaginable which is exquisitely crafted in every way. An expensive demonstration of skill in micro-miniature.
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    Isn't this cute?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dialex View Post
    Isn't this cute?
    It's very cute, but as dangerous as a fly swatter.An angry 8 year old, with a bb gun, is much more lethal.

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    "In September 2006 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives(ATF) in New York issued a warning about the gun after being alerted by a police officer who spotted it on a website.

    Special Agent William McMahon said the gun was so small it could pass for a key fob, and warned it made the perfect stealth weapon for serious criminals."

    And here:

    Jonathan Spencer, consultant forensic scientist and firearms expert, said that although the gun, which fires bullets at a speed of 399 feet a second, was tiny, it could still prove fatal and in the eyes of the law was as dangerous as a machine gun.

    He said: "The general threshold for perforating the skin is about 330 feet a second.

    "Apart from bone, skin offers the greatest resistance to penetration. If it can pass through the skin it is potentially lethal, even if the bullets are small.

    "If you shoved something 3mm across into someone's chest you could kill them. It's the same with these bullets, they could penetrate the heart.

    "It is capable of killing someone. Under section 5 of the Firearms Act it would be a prohibited weapon. It would be on the same scale as a machine gun."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemist View Post
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    "If you shoved something 3mm across into someone's chest you could kill them. It's the same with these bullets, they could penetrate the heart.

    "It is capable of killing someone. Under section 5 of the Firearms Act it would be a prohibited weapon. It would be on the same scale as a machine gun."

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770
    I hate repeating myself, but that little gun at 400 fps ,could only kill ,if someone was in the process of dying anyways.I have shot airguns for over 45 years, and can say with authority ,that a projectile, smaller and lighter than a BB, at 400 fps, would have trouble killing a mouse ,far less a human.If you think otherwise, in a SD situation, it would be very sad day for you.I own airguns over 5 times more powerful[10.5 gn at 1000 fps] and have had squirrels ,run away, after being hit.That little gun is cute, but no manstopper.Against a baseball bat, there would be no contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemist View Post
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    "In September 2006 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives(ATF) in New York issued a warning about the gun after being alerted by a police officer who spotted it on a website.

    Special Agent William McMahon said the gun was so small it could pass for a key fob, and warned it made the perfect stealth weapon for serious criminals."

    And here:

    Jonathan Spencer, consultant forensic scientist and firearms expert, said that although the gun, which fires bullets at a speed of 399 feet a second, was tiny, it could still prove fatal and in the eyes of the law was as dangerous as a machine gun.

    He said: "The general threshold for perforating the skin is about 330 feet a second.

    "Apart from bone, skin offers the greatest resistance to penetration. If it can pass through the skin it is potentially lethal, even if the bullets are small.

    "If you shoved something 3mm across into someone's chest you could kill them. It's the same with these bullets, they could penetrate the heart.

    "It is capable of killing someone. Under section 5 of the Firearms Act it would be a prohibited weapon. It would be on the same scale as a machine gun."

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770
    And I of course believe everything I read on the Internet or the newspaper, even if it contradicts years of personal experience. RIGHT!

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    I could, of course, go into foot pounds of energy, the ability to penetrate or "do work" based on those energy figures, and show the complete idiocy of these statements. However, why don't you just read the whole original post and note that, in it, there is more than one figure listed for the velocity of the projectile (is it 300 mph or 270 mph or is 399 feet per second, which ends up being a little over 272 mph?). Now how accurate do you think the rest of the article is? In addition, penetrating skin (which would be hard enough for this dinky little thing to do) does not equate to penetrating muscle tissue, fat, etc. to get to the heart, much less penetrate that resilient and tough muscle. What about penetrating a denim jacket? How much energy does that take? You also have to realize that all of the velocity figures are at muzzle contact range. A tiny little projectile loses velocity quickly due to air resistance. At several feet from the muzzle, the projectile is going to be going even slower. Look at it this way--this thing is rated in the article (and yes, I would not believe anything the article said without verification based on the absurdities it contains, but, for the sake of argument let us use their figures) as having a projectile that can travel a whopping 367 feet. Wow--the lowly .22 long rifle fired from a handgun has the capability of traveling well over a mile. The .22 is a dangerous weapon, though hardly what I would want to stake my life on if given the choice. This little thing is a toy, nothing more.

    If you are really interested in people who know what they are talking about in regards to firearms and their capacity to wound, stop an attacker, etc., Google "Martin Fackler," or "wound ballistics." I do believe there are a few FBI Laboratory documents that are public records now as well.

    As to the ATF warning, if one was actually given (to be honest, I don't really care enough to send out a query through my agency due to the absurdity of worrying about this little toy in the first place)---Well, I can name another federal agency that has issued warnings about--horrors!--belt buckle knives, the Cold Steel Honeycomb that Starling likes to carry, and other such weapons of mass destruction! One of my favorites was about a certain pistol that would penetrate an officer's bullet resistant vest easily--except it really didn't when it was tested. A lot of these "warnings" are submitted to the federal agency by local officers, intelligence specialists, or others who might merely read about something and not have any expertise in regard to the matter at hand, and many are a bit absurd. Some of them slip through the editing process. Oh--by the way--I do have a bit of experience in regards to bulletins and other press put out by federal agencies because sometimes my agency contacts me to edit and verify articles and bulletins that are going to be posted.
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    yeah but you could give someone a nasty wound with one of those guns if you put it on your keychain and hit them with the hammer spur ...Doc
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    That "Dolan" pansy needs to get over his fear of firearms.....AND ask somebody other than the idiots at the BATFe about guns before he writes hyped up garbage about them.

    "The perfect stealth weapon for serious criminals"? Anyone pulled that dinky thing on me I'd laugh in their face - then show them the Glock 23 I carry. That tiny thing MIGHT give someone a hickey if they were shot with it. And as others have posted, working miniature guns have been around for a long, LONG time.

    300 fps? I can spit faster than that......

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    In a contact situation the escaping gasses would likely do more tissue damage than the projectile. I believe the rarity and price would preclude these from being in the hands of anybody but people that could afford far more lethal items and the loopholes to carry them where they need them. Joe
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    regardless, I wouldn't want to get show with it point blank. It could do some damage if it entered the body via abdomin and depending on the angle of the entry, it could kill you. It might be the slowest bleed out in history though. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaliGman View Post
    I have some ocean front property in Arizona that I would like to sell you if you're interested

    I just thought it was funny... "perfect weapon for the serious criminal.."

    ......I have a hard time believing the quote is legit too
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