NYC Legal EDC?

[carrot]

In light of GarageBoy's recent encounter with "New York's Finest," I have been re-evaluating my choice of EDC. My usual is a Para-military clipped to my back pocket and a smaller knife, such as the Caly3 in the front.

Seeing how any knife that can be Spyderdropped can be (malevolently or mistakenly) interpreted as a "gravity blade," I'm wondering what Spydercos cannot be Spyderdropped, in interest of not having a similar encounter?

My first reaction is to EDC the UKPK, but I am not fully comfortable with using a non-locking knife in certain ways, so I am looking for locking Spydies that won't be classified as a "gravity knife" here in good (bad?) old NYC. Preferably around 3".

Any suggestions?

[Sharpy_swe]

Maybe a Delica 4 with slightly tightened screws?

With plain edge and no Wave.

[smcfalls13]

Tighten the pivot screws. That's what I do when I send knives to Canada, and if those gorillas at the border can't flick them open, NYC LEOs won't be able to either.

It is an inconvenience to open, but it's a tradeoff if your knife can't be taken from you. Personally, I think the whole "gravity knife" thing is a load of crap, but I also think making autos illegal is a load of crap as well.

[yablanowitz]

I would agree with the "load o' crap" theory.

I think your best bet would be a Caly Jr. or Caly3 with the clip removed and the knife carried in the bottom of the pocket.

Staying out of New York works pretty good, too.

[WOTANSON1]

As a former long time resident of NYC my advice would be to not carry a knife if you don't want any hassles. NYC knife law, though defined as a max 4'' blade length is in reality, whatever the PO wants it to be, period. I had a knife "confiscated" better word would be stolen by the NYPD, from what other people have told me any protestation usually ends with the PO asking "ya wanna get thrown into Rikers for the night?, the answer is always no. friend of mine had his Caly Jr. FRN (which I got him BTW) stolen by a Detective who happened to notice the knife clipped in his pocket as he was driving by. When my friend protested the Detective offered to call the precinct to see if he had any priors or warrants outstanding (nice guy). That said I'm sure 97% of NYPD personnel are hard working decent people, but what guarantees you won't run into the 3%. When I do go down to the city I carry the cheapest most expendable knife I own.
Cheers,
Rob

[dedguy]

It seems like the previous suggestion of a Subcom ain'd a bad one. Fits sans-clip nicely into most jeans watch pocket, is cheap, reliable, and non-threatening.

[The General]

I did not carry at all when in NYC visiting various attractions as there are metal detectors and pat downs at all such places.

Otherwise it was a Murry Carter neck knife and a Bob T 3.5 inch folder.

In hindsight, I was really thinking the "I'm a tourist, sorry officer" excuse would hold water.

I never had any problems and on a couple of occasions I was very glad I had both knives.

[Vincent]

I carry a military in my pack on me everyday and always have either a para or a Lil temp in my picket. Im not doing to change due to some power hungry cops.

[peacefuljeffrey]

Tighten the pivot screws. That's what I do when I send knives to Canada, and if those gorillas at the border can't flick them open, NYC LEOs won't be able to either.

It is an inconvenience to open, but it's a tradeoff if your knife can't be taken from you. Personally, I think the whole "gravity knife" thing is a load of crap, but I also think making autos illegal is a load of crap as well.

You're right. It IS 100% crap. Who the hell should care HOW a knife is opened? The only thing that matters is once the knife is opened.

The whole "is it a 'gravity knife'" question is ludicrous on its face. So what if it IS!? Does that make a knife indefensible? A legal fixed blade knife is ALWAYS "open". We should care how quickly or easily a knife can be opened? Is that what makes it dangerous or lethal?

[peacefuljeffrey]

As a former long time resident of NYC my advice would be to not carry a knife if you don't want any hassles. NYC knife law, though defined as a max 4'' blade length is in reality, whatever the PO wants it to be, period. I had a knife "confiscated" better word would be stolen by the NYPD. . .

And after suffering that kind of indignity at the hands of the corrupt overlords we call the NYPD, rather than get infuriated and FIGHT, what you seem to advocate is, "Keep your head down; do what they say; don't make trouble; don't stick out; and hopefully they won't pick on you."

That sounds like what the Jews in Germany must have been saying to themselves: "Surely it'll be all right as long as I do what I perceive they want me to do?"

And then when they make it impossible for you to not be afoul of their "laws," then what? What do you do when you divest of your knives, when you allow them to beat you down to where you walk around with not a thing in your pocket, for fear that they'll claim you were dangerous and had a "weapon"? Will you let them force you, a good person who doesn't seek to do others harm, to regard yourself as a danger, to the point where you see it their way and agree that even you yourself should not be free to carry a knife?

And then when you have allowed yourself to be convinced by them that the best thing is to go around unarmed, when someone who flouts their laws because he is a criminal comes and attacks you, how will your compliance with the law help you to survive the encounter?

-PJ

[CWO]

Whatever you decide to carry - be sure that it can't be seen protruding from a pocket and that it doesn't "print" through the pocket fabric.

[WOTANSON1]

And after suffering that kind of indignity at the hands of the corrupt overlords we call the NYPD, rather than get infuriated and FIGHT, what you seem to advocate is, "Keep your head down; do what they say; don't make trouble; don't stick out; and hopefully they won't pick on you."

That sounds like what the Jews in Germany must have been saying to themselves: "Surely it'll be all right as long as I do what I perceive they want me to do?"

And then when they make it impossible for you to not be afoul of their "laws," then what? What do you do when you divest of your knives, when you allow them to beat you down to where you walk around with not a thing in your pocket, for fear that they'll claim you were dangerous and had a "weapon"? Will you let them force you, a good person who doesn't seek to do others harm, to regard yourself as a danger, to the point where you see it their way and agree that even you yourself should not be free to carry a knife?

And then when you have allowed yourself to be convinced by them that the best thing is to go around unarmed, when someone who flouts their laws because he is a criminal comes and attacks you, how will your compliance with the law help you to survive the encounter?

-PJ

It would have been much better for you to quote my entire post. First, I do not consider the NYPD to be "corrupt overlords", as I stated later in the post I think an overwhelming amount of NYPD are hard working and decent people who work an almost impossible job. Second, I stated that if you don't want any hassles....... don't carry a knife, that's good advice friend, no knife......... no hassles. Third, once again in my original post I stated that I do carry a knife in NYC albeit the cheapest and most expendable knife I own, which happens to be a Spyderco Endura. I know I might be hassled, but I do it anyway, in all my long haired, tattooed and black leather motorcycle jacketed glory. Why?, because I need a knife to cut things and I'm obeying the law. So don't give me any of that Jews and Nazi Germany ****, and next time read and quote the entire post, just not the part that furthers your own agenda, got me there sport?

Cheers,
Rob

[Rex G]

While I do not live in NYC, I do seem to recall that NYC requires that knives be concealed. Clipped into a pocket is not concealed. Silly law, I agree, but I intend to conceal any knives I carry in NYC.

[The Mastiff]

Defying our overlords??

That's it peacefuljeffrey, you lead the charge!
We're right behind you.....heh ...heh....heh..... Joe

[Dr. Snubnose]

With all this talk about clipped knife confiscation...there is much to be said for a good sheath knife with an over-shirt covering it.....Doc

[clovisc]

once again, i'd suggest a subcom.

from what garageboy says, sounds like the cops in NYC eye pockets... better to carry somewhere where NONE of the knife can be seen or detected.

[GarageBoy]

I've had buddies get away with 5" CRK fixed blades under a jacket(after a hiking trip).

Right now, I'm afraid that if I get a itty bitty CRK Mnandi, I'm gonna get searched one day, they're gonna flick it open and call that a gravity knife too..

Hey sal, how about something that locks closed, and can't be flicked open when the lock is released?

[carrot]

Hey sal, how about something that locks closed, and can't be flicked open when the lock is released?

I would love a knife based on the Caly3 that had a lock on the pivot or otherwise that allowed for one hand opening, but prevented Spyderdropping...

[OutofGum]

Just carry the knife in such a way that it won't be seen by police at a glance. This won't help if you are arrested/patted down, but it will significantly cut down the odds of your knife being confiscated.

[GarageBoy]

BTW: ALL lock backs flick open if you know what you're doing (reverse grip, flick down, pull up) Is running the pivot all the way down (full tight) harmful to the knife?