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    I recently got a numbered Ronin for about the old MSRP through Ebay, and it arrived in minty condition. That was a GOOD purchase, IMHO. I just won a Gunting for a surprisingly low amount, a few dollars over the old MSRP. I guess the PE Guntings with original boxes are the hot item, as this one was CE without box, in my preferred S30V. I certainly do not need a box for a carry knife. I hope that upon arrival it lives up to its promise. I was lucky to have bought several each of the Gunting and Ronin when they were new; I like to have quite a few spares of my carry knives, in case of loss or damage, and in case I want to present them as gifts someday to special freinds or family who see and like mine. As far as the Yojimbo being collectible someday, I hope to see it stay in the line-up forever, and therefore never become truly collectible. I do wish I had managed to get a black Yojimbo, not for collectible reasons, but because black goes better with black clothing, but that is a minor consideration. Looking over my post, I guess it's obvious I am not a knife collector in the usual sense of the term. Some of my old carry knives are honorably retired, and some of my spares are kept in mint condition, but all are at least potential carry/using blades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyNot
    Zen, it makes sense but still does not explain why prices for the same model fluctuate so much. I think what changes everything is that from time to time somebody with unlimited funds decides to get what he wants or "must have factor" plays it's role. It's all good though. I would not worry about it. What bugs me a little is that some sellers use different schemes to move bids higher and higher. Do not have any proof, just a feeling. Regardless, what can you do about it?
    I am just trying to know the reasonable price for the model I want and wait until the right opportunity comes along. It works so far... maybe because I am not even close to the point where I need something very specific to fill the gap in my collection. Maybe because of that my collection is a Collection of Gaps.
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    What bugs me a little is that some sellers use different schemes to move bids higher and higher. Do not have any proof, just a feeling.

    When you do have some idea of how sellers use "SCHEMES" to move bids higher and higher , please let me know. I have found that bidding goes higher and higher when 2 or more buyers want the same thing. The "scheme" is in finding an item that several people want at the same time. Maybe there's some telepathic software that forcefully manipulates the mind of people 8 states away to bid on a particular item. Now that would be a scheme!! Has it entered your mind that someone might desire a certain Spyderco model, and actually choose to make a bid for it??? Now there's a "scheme"! I think its called Free Will. Imagine that...
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    During my online "milkrun" I saw a C41PBBK Native just sold for $132! I guess the word is out on the black PE Native II (out of production).
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    I think it was just a case of 2 people both wanting it really badly. The final 2 bidders bid 2 or 3 times each in the last 2 min of the auction!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyNot
    Zen, it makes sense but still does not explain why prices for the same model fluctuate so much. I think what changes everything is that from time to time somebody with unlimited funds decides to get what he wants or "must have factor" plays it's role. It's all good though. I would not worry about it. What bugs me a little is that some sellers use different schemes to move bids higher and higher. Do not have any proof, just a feeling. Regardless, what can you do about it?
    I am just trying to know the reasonable price for the model I want and wait until the right opportunity comes along. It works so far... maybe because I am not even close to the point where I need something very specific to fill the gap in my collection. Maybe because of that my collection is a Collection of Gaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JspyEDC
    What bugs me a little is that some sellers use different schemes to move bids higher and higher. Do not have any proof, just a feeling.

    When you do have some idea of how sellers use "SCHEMES" to move bids higher and higher , please let me know. I have found that bidding goes higher and higher when 2 or more buyers want the same thing. The "scheme" is in finding an item that several people want at the same time. Maybe there's some telepathic software that forcefully manipulates the mind of people 8 states away to bid on a particular item. Now that would be a scheme!! Has it entered your mind that someone might desire a certain Spyderco model, and actually choose to make a bid for it??? Now there's a "scheme"! I think its called Free Will. Imagine that...
    Wow! Such a response!

    Usually I'm trying to stay away from using long quotes but it might be appropriate here…

    I probably should’ve been more careful choosing words and instead of saying “some sellers use different schemes” I should’ve said that they “might use” them. My apologies to anybody offended!

    Now, I could not agree more that there are natural forces that move prices way up in most cases. I do not think I have to use my imagination to come to this conclusion. As a matter of fact it is pretty much covered in my original post by referencing to “must have factor” or people willing to spend money to get what they want. As I said before - No problem here.

    Not long ago I sold two knives on ebay few weeks apart from each other. Two different buyers. The same address. I was told that the guy used His and His wife’s ID’s for the purchases. He was really nice with payments and communication, and by any means I do not imply any wrongdoing.

    But WHAT IF some hypothetical seller decides to use a couple of ebay accounts or some friends get together and try to help each other with bidding? The downside is minimal (just loosing insertion fee) but reward might be pretty big. Just a crazy thought...

    This thread was started to have a discussion about prices on ebay. I thought it was an appropriate place to throw my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JspyEDC
    What bugs me a little is that some sellers use different schemes to move bids higher and higher. Do not have any proof, just a feeling.

    When you do have some idea of how sellers use "SCHEMES" to move bids higher and higher , please let me know.
    It's called "shill bidding" and is one of the less pleasant facts of life on eBay. Their decision to allow seller's to configure auctions so that the identities of bidders are not revealed indicates to me that they don't really care about it. That anonymity makes it impossible to document the patterns of bids and bid retractions that are the mark of a shill bidder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deacon
    Their decision to allow seller's to configure auctions so that the identities of bidders are not revealed indicates to me that they don't really care about it. That anonymity makes it impossible to document the patterns of bids and bid retractions that are the mark of a shill bidder.
    I'm reasonably certain that ebay can see the identities of the bidders, regardless of the seller's actions. And other than for items of an "adult" nature, it is quite rare to see a seller using 'private' for collectables in the price range of Spyderco knives (I have only come across one in the last 4 months.) But in general, I agree with you--higher sale prices only help ebay, no matter how they get there; thus it is counterintuitive for them to put the kibosh on the practice.

    More interesting to me is the new policy of making ALL bidders private (ala "Bidder 1", "Bidder 2", etc.) on items achieving the lofty price of $200. Ebay calls this a "security" measure to prevent phishing and id theft, but if it is for security, don't folks who buy items for less than $200 deserve protection as well? Pffffft--clearly this is in order to prevent contact between other potential sellers offering the same item directly to the the losing bidders.
    Security ain't in it! Unless ebay means security for their profits!
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    Milkrun: Spyderco Native variant going for over $250! What the ....!
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    My thoughts exactly on that Native, What the ....!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OuchThatsSharp
    Milkrun: Spyderco Native variant going for over $250! What the ....!

    Up to $300 now... That ranks right up there with the topic of this posting "insanity"!

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    In my limited time with Spyderco's, this is the highest price I've seen for a Spyderco Knife. WOW! I'd definitely like to have one of those but not for that price.
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    I didn't realize it was an OIF Native. And yall pat George (Gmaggos) on the back for his good fortune! $385 now. If it broaches $400, i suspect we will see a mini-deluge of OIFs next week! (Perhaps mine included! )
    There isn’t any symbolism. The sea is the sea. The old man is an old man. The boy is a boy and the fish is a fish. The shark are all sharks no better and no worse. All the symbolism that people say is ****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkfin
    I didn't realize it was an OIF Native. And yall pat George (Gmaggos) on the back for his good fortune! $385 now. If it broaches $400, i suspect we will see a mini-deluge of OIFs next week! (Perhaps mine included! )
    Unlesss I was watching a different knife I believe that it was an "Operation Enduring Freedom" for troops in Afghanistan. They seem to come up for sale far less frequently than the OIF Natives and get higher prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UK KEN
    Unlesss I was watching a different knife I believe that it was an "Operation Enduring Freedom" for troops in Afghanistan. They seem to come up for sale far less frequently than the OIF Natives and get higher prices.

    Regards,Ken
    Believe you're right Ken. Still a pretty hefty price for one though. Pendulum swings both ways though, a couple days ago a P.I.G. Police went for peanuts.
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    That is the highest price "I've" seen for any Spyderco model. Amazing! That was also the first Operation Enduring Freedom Native I've seen.
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    I take it the OEF Native is not being produced still like the OIF Native is? Or maybe it is and those bidders just didn't know it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelDragon
    I take it the OEF Native is not being produced still like the OIF Native is? Or maybe it is and those bidders just didn't know it....
    The "rarity" of these knives is governed by the fact that Spyderco only issue them to serving troops. They might still be being produced and are listed for sale at SFO but civilians can't buy them.

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    Wow, how about this Shabaria for insane!!!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-Shabari...QQcmdZViewItem
    I remember these going for about 100 last November and I've never seen them go for for even half that amount! Sometimes when you sell you just get lucky, I guess...
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    I saw Shabaria sold for over $300 before, but it was PE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogcohen
    Wow, how about this Shabaria for insane!!!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-Shabari...QQcmdZViewItem
    I remember these going for about 100 last November and I've never seen them go for for even half that amount! Sometimes when you sell you just get lucky, I guess...
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    I think it's a case of a person that refuses to be outbid, throwing all logic and reasoning out the window.
    Gee, I would never do a thing like THAT!! (LOL)

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