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    Question H-1 Temperance

    Good evening, my Spyder family.

    What are your thoughts on a Sprint run of the Temperance done in H-1 steel? We do not yet have an H-1 Salt fixed blade, and I believe that the Temp would be a perfect candidate.

    I require a quality fixed blade for some of my work at the Animal Refuge I volunteer at and think that the Temp will be perfect in this application; however, I am concerned about my corrosive body chemistry and VG-10.

    Or would MBS-26 be a better choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter
    Good evening, my Spyder family.

    What are your thoughts on a Sprint run of the Temperance done in H-1 steel? We do not yet have an H-1 Salt fixed blade, and I believe that the Temp would be a perfect candidate.

    I require a quality fixed blade for some of my work at the Animal Refuge I volunteer at and think that the Temp will be perfect in this application; however, I am concerned about my corrosive body chemistry and VG-10.

    Or would MBS-26 be a better choice?

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    Hi Hannibal,
    I don't think you need to worry about the corrosive body chemistry, since the knife is sheathed and away from the body( unless carried inside waistband). I think using the knife at the refuge and not being able to clean it immediately would be more of a concern. In my experience with MBS 26, if not cleaned quickly, it will rust, therefore a H1 Temperance is an excellent idea.

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    My Dear Friend,

    Quote Originally Posted by hanswurst
    I don't think you need to worry about the corrosive body chemistry, since the knife is sheathed and away from the body( unless carried inside waistband).
    I tend to generate a tremendous amount of body heat and will frequently cause enormous quantities of moisture to condense on my blades. This is also a big concern for me, as I carry inside the either waistband or belt.

    This knife would also do double-duty in the kitchen, which is why I thought MBS-26 might be an alternative. I tnd to agree though that H-1 would be best.

    Any other thoughts, anyone?

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    Perhaps the black coating would help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Cook
    Perhaps the black coating would help?
    Only if I can convince Glock to apply the Tenifer finish to the blade; that is the only black coating I trust completely against my body.

    Nice thought, that...

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    Having noticed that the majority of Spyderco fixed blades are VG-10 (No complaints here) I think a Sprint run of the Temperance in H-1 has significant merit. It would prove to be at least a nice test of the capabilities of H-1 in a larger blade configuration.

    It would also be the ultimate camp knife. If I remember correctly, the Temperance was advertised as such originally, and a rust proof model would be the next logical step, in my opinion. If you drop it in the creek in the dark, and you can't find it til morning, no worries. Not exactly the most realistic situation, but you get the point.

    Sounds like a good idea to me.
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    I think that is a great idea. As Scott pointed out... It would be a great FB to bring camping, hiking...etc..

    I would prefer mine with a yellow glow in the dark handle for those dark night around the fire.
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    Nah, the proto that's in development with the 82nd Airborne is the best knife to make in H1 steel with yellow G10 handles. It's a lot like the Temperance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Blonde
    Nah, the proto that's in development with the 82nd Airborne is the best knife to make in H1 steel with yellow G10 handles. It's a lot like the Temperance.

    Wouter
    You've been hanging around Sal too long Wouter, You're getting almost as good as he is at tossing out a teaser line.

    Must say I've abused my VG-10 Temperance a few times in the kitchen. Left it over 24 hours with tomato sauce that was both fairly acid and about as salty as seawater on the blade with no ill effects.
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    Hi Hannibal, probably not likely. The Temperance has not been a great seller and will probably go south in '06.

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    You know Mr. Glesser it is like I have been saying here on the Forum for some time and I am sure you are more aware of it than any of the rest of us. I got my first fixed blade Temperance this last April. I must admit I didn't like it at first just to look at it. But it is another Spyder that you just simply have to use to get to like it and get to know it's full potential and how good that it works on the job. It's a shame that some kind of a "TEST DRIVE" deal could be set up to where you could use it before you buy it ( maybe at the Spyderco Booths at knife shows). To get right to the meat of the matter when I used the Temperance I liked it so much that I immediately went out and got the serrated version. They are both permanent fixtures in my hunting/fishing gear. I am now looking for a couple of extra Temperance models for my kitchen knife collection.

    With Doctor Lecter's concerns about corrosion I have a simple answer. Just simply wax the blade with FLITZ's metal wax. I have been waxing all of my user knives for some time now with excellent results. There are just so many of the fine Spyderco knives you just have to use to know the full scope of their potential. Kind of like Dan S with his new ZDP-189 Burgundy Calypso Jr. IF you are going to discontinue the fixed blade Temperance then please replace it with something because I am liking the Spyderco Fixed blades more and more.
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    To the esteemed Mr. Glesser,

    Quote Originally Posted by sal
    Hi Hannibal, probably not likely. The Temperance has not been a great seller and will probably go south in '06.

    sal
    WOW! Talk about an instant thread-killer!

    Seriously, I do appreciate the information. Are plans extant to introduce a new Spyderco fixed blade, might I inquire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter
    WOW! Talk about an instant thread-killer!
    Yeah, I don't think anything can kill a thread faster than the General himself.

    Good info to know though.

    Thanks!
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    Hi Hannibal. Sorry 'bout that.

    We have just introduced the Kumo. We'll see how that goes. We've not had any real success with any of the fixed blade models that we've built so far and we've tried quite a few.

    I spent a great deal of time in the development of the Temperance and was pleased with the final product. I would have liked more texture but the maker was limited at the time. Sales have never taken off.

    I spent a lot of design time with the SPOT. same results.

    There is much about the knife industry that I do not understand.

    We're working on a couple of H-1 fixed blades, but oriented towards water useage.

    We plan to make an Ed Schempp camp knife simply because Ed's designs are so effective in performance, but only time will tell if the sales are there.

    sal

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    People just don't know what they're missing til it's gone. Spyderco's fixed blades are solid, well performing knives. All of the ones I have handled have amazed me because of the ergonomics, balance, and price. Not to mention the superior blade itself(I refuse to buy fixed blades anywhere else, they NEVER come sharp. Ever.)No where else will you find knives this good for this cheap.

    It's sad to hear the Temperance will be leaving, better pick up a few now before they get hard to find, and expensive.
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    To the esteemed Mr. Glesser,

    Quote Originally Posted by sal
    Hi Hannibal. Sorry 'bout that.
    Quite alright. I appreciate the information very much, and I would rather have the truth even if it isn't entirely pleasant.

    Quote Originally Posted by sal
    We have just introduced the Kumo. We'll see how that goes. We've not had any real success with any of the fixed blade models that we've built so far and we've tried quite a few.
    I own a Kumo and accord it rave reviews, though I do not see myself using it in the camp or kitchen. I see it more as an SD blade, regardless of the designer's original intent.

    Quote Originally Posted by sal
    I spent a great deal of time in the development of the Temperance and was pleased with the final product. I would have liked more texture but the maker was limited at the time. Sales have never taken off.
    The Temperance is an amazing knife; I owned one for a while, but the incessant polite badgering of a close friend made me trade it to him. I have regretted it since and am in process of replacing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by sal
    I spent a lot of design time with the SPOT. same results.
    The SPOT was a bit of an anomaly. I owned one for a time but was never completely comfortable with it.

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    There is much about the knife industry that I do not understand.
    LOL! You understand a great deal more than I do, good Sir.

    Quote Originally Posted by sal
    We're working on a couple of H-1 fixed blades, but oriented towards water useage.
    That sounds wonderful; I spend enough time on and in the water to make that a must-have purchase.

    Again, my gratitude for your time and dissemination of information.

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    Hey, the spot is still one of my favourite EDC knives!

    Although the reverse s blade is still too small for my taste, it is still one of those rare neck knives you take with you and forget about untill you need it.

    I hope the swick will reach production phase, because i really like the knife.

    Sadly i always seem to fall for the weird designs that don't sell and are discontinued after 2 years.

    A sure winner will be the new Delica and Endura though!

    And i agree that there should be a heavy duty Hawkbill knife.
    The military with a hawkbill blade.
    I find the Harpy too small, the Civi is too specialised to be a user (although i carry it), the blue PE spyderhawk is discontinued (so mine is not used anymore), the Byrd hawkbill is great but it's SS (and not a real ) .

    All great knives but somehow it seems rather difficult to come up with a top end G10 hawkbill.

    Maybe the D'allara platform could be used for a hawkbill blade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Malone
    Sadly i always seem to fall for the weird designs that don't sell and are discontinued after 2 years.

    Maybe the D'allara platform could be used for a hawkbill blade?
    I have the same problem. The models that attract me are already discontinued and difficult to get.

    D'Allara could have potential for a Hawkbill, though I would prefer the standard texture on the FRN.
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