They just don't get it

[Bluntrauma]

I can't remember if this is the same seller but quite frankly I am getting damned tired of reporting a listing for this POS.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140439446676

[ChrisR]

Yeah, I have no sympathy with people who sell trash like this and pretend later that they didn't know it was a knock-off. It takes a few minutes to check whether something is fake or not before selling it and the onus is on the seller to make sure that they are not breaking the law :mad:

[The Deacon]

Same s**t, different seller, at least from the one I noticed a week or so back. Which is not to say this one hasn't listed this, or similar junk before.

FWIW, I just reported it to eBay as a trademark infringement.

[BlackNinja]

FWIW, I just reported it to eBay as a trademark infringement.

I did the same, Paul!

I mean what dumb-ass! All for his whole $10 he is asking for it! :confused:

[TazKristi]

I sent him a message too... we'll see how he responds to a message from Spyderco. ;-)

Thank you, as always, for bringing it to our attention.

Kristi

[HotSoup]

I reported it early this afternoon as well. You'd think after so many reports it would have been taken down by now????

[The Deacon]

I reported it early this afternoon as well. You'd think after so many reports it would have been taken down by now????The only report that might get it pulled instantly would be a communication directly from Spyderco to eBay complaining of the trademark infringement. In fairness, eBay has no way of knowing if you and I are correct, or perhaps just have an axe to grind with the seller we report.

[ChrisR]

Well, nobody has been suckered into bidding yet so that's at least one good thing :)

[Bluntrauma]

Yeah I reported it right before I posted the original thread. Get em Kristi! :D

[SUDS]

Things like this make me so angry. What makes me even more mad is that people still bid and get ripped off, even though it looks like a piece of junk and something spyderco wouldn't even think of selling

[TazKristi]

Just an update... I heard back from the seller and he has removed the auction. Through my e-mails with him I believe that he honestly believed the knife was a Spyderco and was led to believe that by his supplier. He's learned a lot about us now. ;) He seemed like a nice person and he's done the right thing without any arguing or posturing.

Again, thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Kristi

[RamDreamer]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-BLUE-FRN-Drop-Point-Plain-edge-USA-154-cm-/280548949152?pt=Collectible_Knives :(

[TazKristi]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-BLUE-FRN-Drop-Point-Plain-edge-USA-154-cm-/280548949152?pt=Collectible_Knives :(

Thank you, sent them a message too. ;)

[Bluntrauma]

and another....


http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-BLUE-FRN-Drop-Point-Plain-edge-154-cm-/280548949152?pt=Collectible_Knives


Sent them an email letting them know it was a fake and reported it.

[Bluntrauma]

and another....


http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-BLUE-FRN-Drop-Point-Plain-edge-154-cm-/280548949152?pt=Collectible_Knives


Sent them an email letting them know it was a fake and reported it.

...and the response. If you understand it, you are doing better than I am.



2 people emailed me they said it is not it im selling whats in pick as is no warrenty no refund

[Bluntrauma]

Looks like we have another one. I reported the item and contacted the seller to let her know. She has been a member since 1999 and has 100% feedback so perhaps she just doesn't know.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130428365417

[Pinetreebbs]

Thank you, sent them a message too. ;)

There is another seller of the blue Spyderco knock off on eBay here. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130428365417&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123)

[Bluntrauma]

Response:



I am posting on my listing so that bidders are aware. I do not know
anything about this knife, whether it is "real" or a knock-off, so
please bid accordingly. What you see is what you get.

- smartchick

[ChrisR]

(sigh) ... as if it is perfectly legal to sell a fake, as long as you tell people it is a fake? :rolleyes: ... some people ... sheesh ... "It's OK officer ... I wasn't sure whether it was stolen property so I said on the advert that it might be hot ... what you see is what you get!" :mad:

EDIT: looks like the listing is unchanged (no mention of it being fake when I just checked) so have reported it again to eBay :mad:

[clovisc]

Wow... anyone see the fake Chris Reeve he's also selling??

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-No-Brand-Frame-lock-Folding-Pocket-BLADE-Knife-F32_W0QQitemZ290471961508QQcategoryZ42577QQcmdZVie wItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26 its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%2 52BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D140439446676% 26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5883544362085222290

[Bluntrauma]

Someone ended up paying 18 bucks for that POS and she never changed the listing. You know, it would be nice if Ebay still left bidders where you could see who got what. I would love to let someone know what they just got. :confused:

[ClusterFlux]

Here they go again...

ooh look it's in "154CM"
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-Tactical-Pocket-Knife-119-/320589254011?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa49bcd7b#ht_4810wt_738
and this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-Mini-Pocket-Folding-Knife-982-/260663332816?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb0becfd0

[dewildeman]

Yeah, I did a search tonight and the first dozen or so were counterfeits by this HK seller. :mad:

[ChrisR]

Well, I reported them - if a few more people do the same eBay might take them down ... I believe that, for the 10 seconds it takes to report it, it is worth doing - anything we can do to make the fakers lives more difficult has to be good ;)

[whkento]

Well, I reported them - if a few more people do the same eBay might take them down ... I believe that, for the 10 seconds it takes to report it, it is worth doing - anything we can do to make the fakers lives more difficult has to be good ;)

I reported them, too. ;)

[Pinetreebbs]

I reported them, too. ;)

They are still there, I just reported them as well.:mad:

[The General]

I reported them as well.

[ffbeerd]

The ebay user "hkwjshop" continues to post fakes. I've reported about 10 listings in the last 12 hours. Not sure if Spyderco can do anything to stop this user, but it might be worth a shot considering the volume of fakes.

[ChrisR]

I think if sellers reside in the PRC then they are out of reach to most legal challenges. The best action would be for Spyderco to complain to eBay that they are not doing enough to prevent fakes appearing on the site and when reported they are not taking them down fast enough.

The traders themselves need to be banned and repeat offenders need to have their bank/paypal details put on a ban list so they cannot be re-used. IPs are too easy to renew but all of the traders need to be able to get their hands on the money somehow so blocking that route would be quite effective I think.

[SteelDragon]

Looks like the seller avoids the fraud reports by only listing for 24 hours, by the time ebay looks in to the listing you report it has already ended. Same thing with the other user names they use. I wonder if anyone has sent one in to Spyderco for repairs. :mad:

[mikerestivo]

This seller is just killing it by listing multiple fakes. I reported him yesterday. There's no slowing him down, apparently.

[SteelDragon]

This seller is just killing it by listing multiple fakes. I reported him yesterday. There's no slowing him down, apparently.

I hear ya, it seems every time I report it the listings just multiply. I could block the seller so I didn't have to see it but its the principle that we are trying to help a respected company by joining forces to report the seller and yet nothing happens, very frustrating.

[Donut]

I'm not so sure why you all support ebay the way you do. I have never bought anything from ebay and have heard so many negative things about it that I probably never will.

[ChrisR]

I'm not so sure why you all support ebay the way you do. I have never bought anything from ebay and have heard so many negative things about it that I probably never will.
Each to their own :) I use it for cheap things and I often find that eBay is the *only* place that I can source some things - some of the stuff I have bought in the last year: 20-inch zip-lock bags, cardboard posting tubes, yellow 160gsm card, wet&dry paper, iPhone screen covers, pedometer ... it's useful but they are absolutely infuriating in some of their policies, like the lack or rigour when tackling fakes and their anti-knife policy in the UK :(

Back on-topic - I reported all of his fake-Spydercos .. again :D

[mikerestivo]

I'm not so sure why you all support ebay the way you do. I have never bought anything from ebay and have heard so many negative things about it that I probably never will.

I've scored many great deals from e-bay. It's not for the fainthearted at times. I can see why some folks would be leery.

[Pinetreebbs]

I'm not so sure why you all support ebay the way you do. I have never bought anything from ebay and have heard so many negative things about it that I probably never will.

I used to sell excess computer equipment on eBay, I had a ball, got acquainted with many folks all over the world. met a few jerks too, but the majority were great. More recently I added many Spydercos :spyder: to my collection. I got stuck with one fake and purchased what turned out to be a total knockoff off Spyderco, I just was not as careful as I usually am reading the listing. (Looking over his shoulder) I have purchased many new and used knives and was completely satisfied. I really enjoy the hunt, especially the bidding process, as my Father said, I have horse trading in my blood. :)

[whkento]

I haven't bought anything from E-bay since they banned firearm-related stuff.

As someone else already posted, to each his own.

I do still have an account, though, so I was able to report that fraudster.

[Bluntrauma]

I believe that there are good sellers on Ebay. I have bought many knives and will probably buy many more. I have found that to be one of the best places to find old discontinued models and good deals. There are those though that taint the waters by selling this junk.

It's probably a good thing that they changed things up where you cannot contact the bidders or my keyboard would never get a rest. :)

I have bought 200 items from Ebay over the years and been burned twice. Not bad odds from where I sit.

[Bluntrauma]

Look familiar? Looks like a Spyderco and has an Axis lock. Who could ask for more?

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Axis-Lock-Folding-Pocket-SR388-Knife-/170553434798?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item27b5c6e2ae

*slams forehead into wall*

[ChrisR]

Strange combination - looks like they took the fake Poliwog and then just stretched out a few bits :confused:

[Bluntrauma]

Strange combination - looks like they took the fake Poliwog and then just stretched out a few bits :confused:

That or a Pheonix.

[The Deacon]

Maybe some of the folks lamenting the "plain vanilla" scales on the real Phoenix should buy one of those just for the scales. ;)

[ChrisR]

Ahhh, I knew I'd seen that shape somewhere before :p Oh well, the Phoenix goes down as yet another model they are ripping off :(

[Bluntrauma]

...and it continues...


Reported and sent the seller an email.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280582196173

[cosmo7809]

Alot of those going around in the past month or so.

[shimage]

Look familiar? Looks like a Spyderco and has an Axis lock. Who could ask for more?

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Axis-Lock-Folding-Pocket-SR388-Knife-/170553434798?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item27b5c6e2ae

*slams forehead into wall*

Same thing, same seller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Axis-Lock-Folding-Pocket-SR388-Knife_W0QQitemZ180581017484QQcategoryZ48818QQcmdZV iewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC% 26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS %252BUFI%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D170553434798%26ps%3D6 3%26clkid%3D4658561307963289709

[Bluntrauma]

Same thing, same seller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Axis-Lock-Folding-Pocket-SR388-Knife_W0QQitemZ180581017484QQcategoryZ48818QQcmdZV iewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC% 26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS %252BUFI%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D170553434798%26ps%3D6 3%26clkid%3D4658561307963289709

I just reported this one too. *sigh*

[Bluntrauma]

Email sent. Item reported.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPYDERCO-TANTO-ARMOR-TACTICAL-LINERLOCK-KNIFE-NEW-/320612929904?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4aa6051170

[ChrisR]

Double-reported :D

[Bluntrauma]

Does this look like a Boker to you?

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOKER-Single-Blade-440-Stainless-Steel-Knife-/230556819159?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item35ae41ded7

[Bluntrauma]

Okay, I'm not saying that this is a fake or anything but dang, it sure is ugly.....


http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-Caly-3-C113GS-Custom-Etched-Knife-Japan-NIB-/260702332047?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item3cb311e48f

[Bluntrauma]

Don't think I have ever seen this one floating around before.


http://cgi.ebay.com/Black-SPYDERCO-Custom-Back-lock-Pocket-FOLDING-Knife-/320626209830?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4aa6cfb426



Reported and sent this to the seller:

Just so you know this is not a Spyderco but a cheap knock off of a discontinued item. Check this listing and notice the different lanyard bolt and lack of boye dent on the lock button. This is not an after market custom but a rip off of a Spyderco design coming out of China. You have 100% feedback so I am sure you don't want to have any trouble over a listing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Spyderco-Native-III-C78PBK-/150526912134?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item230c1a6686

[Bluntrauma]

Don't know much about this model but the listing looks fishy. Real?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPYDERCO-KNIFE-G-G-DESIGN-1-DAY-ONLY-L-K-/160522316496?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item255fe02ad0

[The Deacon]

Don't know much about this model but the listing looks fishy. Real?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPYDERCO-KNIFE-G-G-DESIGN-1-DAY-ONLY-L-K-/160522316496?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item255fe02ad0Definitely looks like one of those fake Volpes we've seen before. Easiest "clues" for me to spot are the lack of relief cuts on the lockbar and the clip, but there are probably a dozen or more other visible differences as well.

[Pinetreebbs]

Don't know much about this model but the listing looks fishy. Real?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPYDERCO-KNIFE-G-G-DESIGN-1-DAY-ONLY-L-K-/160522316496?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item255fe02ad0

The large bug on the clip side should be a cutout, looks like it's etched or printed on.

[Spider bite]

Don't know much about this model but the listing looks fishy. Real?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPYDERCO-KNIFE-G-G-DESIGN-1-DAY-ONLY-L-K-/160522316496?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item255fe02ad0

This is a fake. I have reported and emailed seller. I just hope if/when someone buys this it wont give Spyderco a bad name.

[ChrisR]

Hmm, he ended the sale of that and then relisted it ... saying he has 3 more :S Why is it that when someone is obviously trying to palm-off a fake as the real thing they deny any knowledge of it ... "I bought it from a flea market" ... yeah, right on buddy :mad:

[Bluntrauma]

Is this a Spyderco? If so must be an oldie. Never seen one of these before.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPYDERCO-G-SAKAI-KNIFE-GS-102S-GAME-HUNTER-MIB-/270682037040?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item3f05e81b30

[The Deacon]

It's a G Sakai knife that Spyderco MAY have distributed at one time, as they did with a number of other G Sakai knives, including the PE version of that model. They did the same with knives by Moki, Hiro, and at least one other Japanese knifemaker as well. However, even if Spyderco distributed and sold it, it was never marketed as a Spyderco product.

[Bluntrauma]

It's a G Sakai knife that Spyderco MAY have distributed at one time, as they did with a number of other G Sakai knives, including the PE version of that model. They did the same with knives by Moki, Hiro, and at least one other Japanese knifemaker as well. However, even if Spyderco distributed and sold it, it was never marketed as a Spyderco product.

Thanks Deacon. I have seen the name Sakai linked with Spyderco before but I have never seen a knife that looked like that. Appreciate it!

[Bluntrauma]

Definitely looks like one of those fake Volpes we've seen before. Easiest "clues" for me to spot are the lack of relief cuts on the lockbar and the clip, but there are probably a dozen or more other visible differences as well.

I always look harder when I see anything that lists the item as a "one day only" sale. Looks like he has plenty of these flea market bargains to sell.

[Bluntrauma]

This POS is making more auctions than the new para II. Damn....reported.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180604447154

[Bluntrauma]

5 hours left until someone gets screwed for 51.00.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPYDERCO-KNIFE-G-G-DESIGN-1-DAY-ONLY-L-K_W0QQitemZ160522916083QQcategoryZ48818QQcmdZViewI temQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26it s%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252 BUFI%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D160522316496%26ps%3D63%26 clkid%3D5896138673133957821

[ChrisR]

Sad ... I have reported it twice ... anyone told the seller yet?

[Bluntrauma]

Sad ... I have reported it twice ... anyone told the seller yet?

I reported it too. I wrote the seller when the first one was listing and then again on this one. No response. I also sent a long winded letter to Ebay on the subject matter of fakes. We'll see if I get a response. I also posted a thread this morning over in the Ebay community center. Anyone who want to chime in please feel free to.

http://forums.ebay.com/db1/topic/Auction-Listings/Knock-Offs-Fakes/510292719#1293277751507