bi-fold...

[death-bringah]

I thought there's be a bit more hoopla, but when I look out the window all I see are people celebrating the soccer/football games... :confused:

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SP108P

I know that WE can keep this momentus day in perspective! :eek:

take care -d.

[kbuzbee]

I'd be more excited if I was allowed to actually buy one. As it is, it's merely an interesting curiosity, for me.

Ken

[The Deacon]

Given this:

Special Instructions
Automatic Knives are available to Law Enforcement and active duty Military personnel only. Submission of valid ID required for purchase.


This should probably be in the restricted items forum.

[death-bringah]

This should probably be in the restricted items forum.

Oops!!! :o You are absolutely correct; my apologies.

...Although, since so many have been waiting so long for this release, it might qualify as big news to Spydieville in general. And with the 1-1/4 inch blade, I'd think this auto is more "accessable" than any of the other Spyderco autos. Personally, I was just happy to see it actually make it to the shelves. :)

take care -d.

[MCM]

Just goes to show how hosed up the laws are today.........

Am sure this 1.25" hinged knife is more dangerous than the steak knife used in all restaurants across the world..........


Talk about stupid............. Not the 1.25" knife, but the fact that its restricted.


Where are we going anyway?:confused:

P.S. Don't bother trying to defend this.
Its just dumb. Simply defies logic.

[Blerv]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't some counties allow auto knives if under like 1.5"?

Mine don't but I could have sworn some did.

[Simsmac]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't some counties allow auto knives if under like 1.5"?

Mine don't but I could have sworn some did.
I believe some in California allow autos under 2". Go figure. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Actually, California state law (http://pweb.netcom.com/%7Ebrlevine/ca.txt) allows switchblades under 2", not just specific counties.

[Woz]

Oh come on. Here is Austria all Autos, Balis, OTF, daggers whatever are legal to own and carry. No restrictions on any knives, but "camouflaged" weapons (cane-swords, belt-buckle knives...) - still, I can not order a Bi-Fold, for most dealers refuse to send one to a country where it is legal. I do not understand...

[The Deacon]

Oh come on. Here is Austria all Autos, Balis, OTF, daggers whatever are legal to own and carry. No restrictions on any knives, but "camouflaged" weapons (cane-swords, belt-buckle knives...) - still, I can not order a Bi-Fold, for most dealers refuse to send one to a country where it is legal. I do not understand...Assuming you mean you cannot get them at all, rather than that dealers in your country don't carry them, I'd suggest you contact Spyderco. You may be able to order directly from them, or they may be able to supply you with the name of a European dealer you can order from.

[RIOT]

i forget, but what makes this knife illegal for regular carry? is it spring assisted ?

[Evil D]

Just goes to show how hosed up the laws are today.........

Am sure this 1.25" hinged knife is more dangerous than the steak knife used in all restaurants across the world..........


Talk about stupid............. Not the 1.25" knife, but the fact that its restricted.


Where are we going anyway?:confused:

P.S. Don't bother trying to defend this.
Its just dumb. Simply defies logic.


I would go so far as to say i can do more damage to someone with a ball point pen than you could with that little tiny blade.

[araneae]

I recall Sal stating that he would consider looking into the possibility of a non auto version, but don't believe he mentioned whether there was a determination made.

[SmoothOne25]

i would like to see how it looks opening. BAD. anyone know anyone who got one and has a vid or a youtube?

shame so many will not be able to get this. maybe after some one buys it then re sells it would some one like us be able to get one. i see auto's sold places without the forums asking questions. kind of like a buyer beware thing. "you know when your breaking a local law and its on you" kind of siuation. sucks. well, life go's on. some how.

im not saying you should break the law.

[SUDS]

All i have to say is this knife looks awesome, I wanna see someone open one. And these things are gonna go for alot on the secondary market

[defenestrate]

SmoothOne,
I could have sworn one of the SHOT or BLADE videos showed the bifold opening but I could be mistaken.

I would love to have one of these. Yes, RIOT, this one is spring assisted - it is categorized the same as an auto. I would also welcome a non-sprung version - perhaps without a spring and with a bit of detent in the opening mechanism it could have a design change to make it more workable manually. an opening "hole" roughly parallel to the hing/pivot could double as a file holder or a bit holder making this functional when closed as well..?

[A-Knife]

Finally, released. I have a fan of this little knife ever since it was announced. I even held a prototype in my hands during the A'dam mini meet.
I will try and get one. I am not military or law enforcer, but in most European countries it should be legal.

André

[The Deacon]

That raises an interesting point. I'm not sure if, just because the a US Government agency decided the Bi-Fold is an automatic, every other nation is required to follow suit. Perhaps there's even an outside chance our friends in the UK might be able to own one and just not be allowed to carry it "without good reason".

[defenestrate]

Paul,
I assume that except through military/LEO supply channels or similar, knives that :spyder: is not supposed to sell in interstate commerce (that of course being what congress has the right to regulate) they are also not supposed to sell to other nations. I could be wrong, but I'd imagine that they'd want to err on the side of caution so unless things are quite cut and dry, there just aren't the resources to fight this fight - not without cutting into the regular operational budgets that are probably better used creating and manufacturing more and better knives.

[A-Knife]

I have seen other US Army editions like the tan Native Iraqi Freedom being offered on ebay. So there is hope afterall, allbeit against a higher price probably. But Spydie fanatics will pay it.
With this sort of regulations the US only encourage these kind of channels.

André

[The Deacon]

Paul,
I assume that except through military/LEO supply channels or similar, knives that :spyder: is not supposed to sell in interstate commerce (that of course being what congress has the right to regulate) they are also not supposed to sell to other nations. I could be wrong, but I'd imagine that they'd want to err on the side of caution so unless things are quite cut and dry, there just aren't the resources to fight this fight - not without cutting into the regular operational budgets that are probably better used creating and manufacturing more and better knives.Kris, I fully agree. Definitely not a fight worth fighting for Spyderco. On the other hand, I believe Spyderco is allowed to export autos to distributors and dealers in countries where they are legal and I'm not sure how much authority US ICE has over regulating who they can be sold to after that. My gut tells me that once they're out of the US, on their way to a legally qualified purchaser, neither Spyderco or ICE has any further control or responsibility for them.

Consider a hypothetical case where country X allows any of its citizens to buy an auto, and country Y bans autos but does not consider the Bi-Fold to be one because of the plane in which the blade moves. The question then becomes whether a Spyderco dealer or distributor in country X could sell one to a Spyderco dealer or individual in country Y without violating any laws. Granted, the second hypothetical, Spyderco sending it directly to country Y, might be more dicey.

[shecky]

I would love to have one of these. Yes, RIOT, this one is spring assisted - it is categorized the same as an auto. I would also welcome a non-sprung version - perhaps without a spring and with a bit of detent in the opening mechanism it could have a design change to make it more workable manually. an opening "hole" roughly parallel to the hing/pivot could double as a file holder or a bit holder making this functional when closed as well..?

Yes, what seems to make this an auto is that it has a trigger-like "switch" that holds the blade closed, a blade that is biased toward opening from any position in the swing of it's arc. I think a sprung cam/follower could be implemented on the pivot in such a way that the blade is biased toward closing, until the user pushes the blade past the tensioned cam, at which point the blade opens like an assisted opener. The trigger-like switch operates simply as a lock, and doesn't prevent the blade itself from swinging open automatically when unlatched.

It could probably be implemented without the trigger-lock at all, the way I envision it. Using four parts, the handle half, the blade half, and a compression spring on the pivot pin, tensioning the two halves against each other on the pivot axis, where they could act as cam/follower to both bias closed and bias open/lock.

Just my goofy thoughts...

[Pinetreebbs]

Why not just build one with a reversed spring that holds the blade closed?

Perhaps a single sided cobra hood to get the blade out.

There are other bi-fold knives that are not considered autos, the Smith&Wesson Viper is one example.

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SWVIP

[shao.fu.tzer]

I would go so far as to say i can do more damage to someone with a ball point pen than you could with that little tiny blade.

Come on now, you can't be serious... That's basically a folding La Griffe... If you could do more damage with a ball point pen, then you must have no combat training whatsoever. A 1.5" blade, especially with a finger hole like that, is no laughing matter. In the hands of a skilled user it's by far deadlier than many of these so called "tactical" folders that people swear by. I would feel far more comfortable slashing at someone full strength with one of these then say, my P'Kal (which I've carried daily for about 3 years now). If the lock fails I MIGHT get a pinched hand. If the lock fails on my P'Kal, I'm losing fingers! I think it's an awesome design that will find its fame as more and more people adopt it... and no, I don't own one. I'm about to go order one right now though.

Shao