Possible UKPK Fake

[PSU]

This ebay auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/spyderco-slip-joint-new-knife_W0QQitemZ300321252217QQ) offers what appears to be a fake UKPK since it lacks the option for LH carry. Watch out, I've seen several of these on the 'Bay.

[LorenzoL]

Sold for 46$. I don't know if it is a fake but it looks far from new as the seller advertised.

[224477]

Based on the picture, I would say its a fake too.

[Shenmue728]

holy sh!t i almost bid on that one on a whim because it was closing so cheap. i would have never known it was fake til it was too late. would have ssent it to tom krein too :(

[Jay_Ev]

The screws on the UKPK in the picture above look wrong.

[aebfroman]

Its a fake. I've made the mistake of buying one >.< but at least the guy let me return.

One thing to note on the fake ones that stands out to me is the strange hazy looking area just above the bevel. The knife looks close to real but the quality is sheeeyit. Blade is made of, what appears to be, melted down beer cans and the blade contacts the back spacer when you close the knife. The spine wasn't even ground flat...

aavvooiidd

[LorenzoL]

Its a fake. I've made the mistake of buying one >.< but at least the guy let me return.

One thing to note on the fake ones that stands out to me is the strange hazy looking area just above the bevel. The knife looks close to real but the quality is sheeeyit. Blade is made of, what appears to be, melted down beer cans and the blade contacts the back spacer when you close the knife. The spine wasn't even ground flat...

aavvooiidd

Nice guy, he let you return yours and now he screwed somebody else. Maybe time for Kristi to warn eBay about that seller...

[aebfroman]

Nah, its a different seller. The guy I got mine from was class act when I told him it was a fyderco, told me to send it back without hesitation. He said he got it at a gun show and didn't have any reason to believe it was a knock off.

[LorenzoL]

The same seller posted two Enduras, they look fake to me, especially the second one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/spyderco-endura-vg70-knife_W0QQitemZ300321298801
http://cgi.ebay.com/spyderco-large-serrated-knife-endura_W0QQitemZ300321301774

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=300321298801

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=300321301774

[The Deacon]

Not the first time he's sold a fake UKPK either, checked through his feedback...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300315606778

Have to wonder if the buyer has figured it out yet.

[aebfroman]

Not the first time he's sold a fake UKPK either

How can you tell? The history is cut short past 90 days. There is only the one linked by the OP.

[The Deacon]

How can you tell? The history is cut short past 90 days. There is only the one linked by the OP.Did you click on the link I posted? Same pic, but different auction number and end date, May 23 vs June 15 for the one the OP posted. :D

[aebfroman]

Oh, they looked just alike, saw the link and thought it was the same one.

/doh

[SimpleIsGood229]

The same seller posted two Enduras, they look fake to me, especially the second one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/spyderco-endura-vg70-knife_W0QQitemZ300321298801
http://cgi.ebay.com/spyderco-large-serrated-knife-endura_W0QQitemZ300321301774

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=300321298801

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=300321301774Those Enduras look perfectly legit to me. What looks "off" about them to you?

[MountainManJim]

I too was going to bid on this one, but decided it was far from new. I'm glad I didn't, but wow we really need to be careful to review every knife.

So, what is everyone yard stick for judging a knife and determining if it's a fake? I was thinking of opening up Spyderco catalog website and comparing. With this I can go through the knife point by point.

Jim

[gtrtech]

Being new to accumulating Spydercos with all the knocks offs floating around I'm checking Spyderco's website , here and http://www.spydie.nl/

[The Deacon]

I too was going to bid on this one, but decided it was far from new. I'm glad I didn't, but wow we really need to be careful to review every knife.

So, what is everyone yard stick for judging a knife and determining if it's a fake? I was thinking of opening up Spyderco catalog website and comparing. With this I can go through the knife point by point.

JimJim, as of the moment, the UKPK is the only total "clone" out there. It copies not only the design, but the markings of the original. Everything else either copies a design, but is marked in a way that should "give it away" to anyone with even minimal knowledgeable of Spyderco knives (like the NAVY marked Lil Temp knockoff) or copies some Spyderco design elements, but in a "model" Spyderco never produced (like that "damascus" bladed Native/Native III mash-up and the oversize Rookie/undersized Police), or slaps Spyderco's name and logos on a knife which is obviously not a Spyderco (like that "thing" with the thumb stud and the rear mounted Wischard snap).

Unfortunately, the catalogs and the website are not always the best indicators as the illustrations shown there are not always accurate representations of the production version. In addition, minor (and sometimes even not so minor) changes to production models will cause discrepancies between genuine Spyderco knives and the illustrations (for example, the latest batch of CF Stretch II's has fine jimping on the thumb ramp).

Checking this sub-forum for "known fakes" may be more helpful. Perhaps, in the future, a "rogues gallery" will list sellers (eBay and otherwise) known to deal in fakes. Checking the Picture Gallery and spydiewiki (http://www.spydiewiki.com/) for photos of the model may also help. Another obvious safety measure is to avoid greed, deals that sound too good to be true very often are. In reality, the only truly safe course of action anymore is to deal only with reputable dealers and individuals you know and trust because the next clone may not have a flaw that's visible in photographs.

The alternative is to roll the dice. You may either get the deal of a lifetime that way, but you may also get screwed.

[amen74]

That UKPK almost had me fooled!:eek: These dayum fools won't stop for nothing.

[Peruna]

Be careful, people, this guy has listed yet another fake UKPK, using the same picture as before.

http://cgi.ebay.com/spyderco-slip-joint-new-knife_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a10Q7c66Q3a2 Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3 a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem45ecd8239b QQitemZ300326331291QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f0QQsa lenotsupported

[Spider bite]

Everyone should report this item on the bottom of his ebay listing.:p

[scullshoalk]

Be careful, people, this guy has listed yet another fake UKPK, using the same picture as before.

http://cgi.ebay.com/spyderco-slip-joint-new-knife_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a10Q7c66Q3a2 Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3 a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem45ecd8239b QQitemZ300326331291QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f0QQsa lenotsupported

Listing states "spyderco like" does that cover him with legal issues?

[David Lowry]

Looks legit to me.

[yablanowitz]

Definite fake. Note the lack of grooves in the G-10 for reversing the clip. I'd bet the steel isn't the advertised S30V either. Just calling it "Spyderco-like" isn't enough in my book, he should be required to grind the bug off the blade and advertise it as a SpyderFake.

[jabba359]

Looks legit to me.

Looks like a fake. The UKPK is left/right carry, so there should be slots on both sides for the clip, which this doesn't have. He probably bought it, thinking he was getting a good deal, and then when he received it realized it wasn't real. At least he's admitting it as not being a real Spyderco instead of trying to fool the next guy.

[Spider bite]

He probably bought it, thinking he was getting a good deal, and then when he received it realized it wasn't real. At least he's admitting it as not being a real Spyderco instead of trying to fool the next guy.

This will be the 3rd one that he has sold on ebay.

[LorenzoL]

I reported the listing to eBay earlier tonight, let's see what they do...

[mrappraisit]

This will be the 3rd one that he has sold on ebay.

I thought that looked familiar. What a POS!

[Peruna]

When listed, the knife was listed as a UKPK. I asked the seller why it was missing its left-hand carry clip grooves and reported the fake to eBay. He has since responded back saying he never listed it as a Spyderco and has re-listed it as "Spyderco like". Even changing the listing, he is free-riding on Spyderco's good will. Also, based upon his reply to me, I would guess he knows the knife is a fake.

[Jester]

This UKPK appears yet again (http://cgi.ebay.com/spyderco-like-slip-joint-knife_W0QQitemZ300328824901QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item45ecfe3045&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10|66%3A4|39%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A200) from the same seller with the same picture. This time he lists it as "spyderco like"

[LorenzoL]

I reported his listing to eBay the last time around and they took no action. These things really upset me.

[The Deacon]

Unless eBay has changed its policies, they will only pull auctions involving IP (copyright or trademark) violations if the owner of the IP complains. Even ignoring the round hole issue, the presence of Spyderco's name and :spyder: logo should be grounds for Spyderco to get this guy's auctions killed.

[aebfroman]

The one that I accidentally purchased from ebay paypal refunded me the money to my credit card. I showed paypal the link to the website where you could buy the chinese knock offs, explained the visual difference with the wire hole and there wasn't even any discussion. It was sold as a spyderco and was a fyderco so they give you the money back without any hassle.

At first the guy was being nice but then once he got the knife back he stopped responding so I filed the claim. It took a week as they allowed time for him to chime in, he didn't, boom goes the dynamite and I have my money.

[LorenzoL]

That was a different guy from this seller, IIRC, right?

[Spider bite]

I also contacted Ebay and the seller as well. He replied "sorry I am not an expert on spyderco knives... I will change the title of the auction to say Spyderco like." I feel sorry for the last guy who bought one for over $50.