Flashlight advice is needed.

[bh49]

Please, forgive my ignorance on this subject.
I always liked flashlights, but never felt spending money on them. I have few Maglites (3D cell in the car and 3-4 smaller ones in the house). May be I got bored with knives (just kidding), so I am thinking about getting a new LED flashlight. Something with power of 3-4D Maglite or better and size of 2 AA Maglite. I need flashlight for usual use, no extreme or SD use. I want aluminum body would like to spend around $50. I prefer to buy US made, absolutely no “Made in China”
I hope I didn’t hurt anybody's feelings.
Please, advice
Roman

[Lord vader]

Please, forgive my ignorance on this subject.
I always liked flashlights, but never felt spending money on them. I have few Maglites (3D cell in the car and 3-4 smaller ones in the house). May be I got bored with knives (just kidding), so I am thinking about getting a new LED flashlight. Something with power of 3-4D Maglite or better and size of 2 AA Maglite. I need flashlight for usual use, no extreme or SD use. I want aluminum body would like to spend around $50. I prefer to buy US made, absolutely no “Made in China”
I hope I didn’t hurt anybody's feelings.
Please, advice
Roman

The only american made model that i`m aware of is the mini-mag made by mag-lite.There have the led`s. Sorry i don`t have anymore info on this.

[Jonny8642]

I would check out sure fire G2 Nitrolon. Its one of there cheaper ones and it is a little bit bigger then the 2aa mag light but had the power of a 2d cell light. Plus they have a lifetime warranty and made in America :cool:
www.surefire.com

[GradeMaker]

Try the SF 6PLED - a little over the price point but I'm guessing not by "too much".

http://www.surefire.com/6P-Led

http://www.batteryjunction.com/surefire-6p-led-.html

[bh49]

Thank you for advise guys. I did some reading on Surefire website and learned that lights with Incandescent lamps can as powerful as LED, may be even more.
What is advantages and disadvantages of these two light sources?

[grunt0331]

i carry a surefire 6P LED daily. it is rated at 80 lumens, and battery run time is approximately 10 hours. they sell at Lowe's now. i am a flashlight junky, and have many. the 6P LED my favorite EDC. princeton tec also makes a very good light. they are less expensive and USA made.

[Jonny8642]

LEDs tend to last longer because they use less power but there is usually no sign the batteries are runing low, until they're all the way dead. Were as incandescents will create brighter light, but their battery life tends to be shorter, when in constant use. So it usually depends on what you're willing to sacrifice long battery life or bright light? But I have used surefires when I was working security and they seem to be the best of both worlds. But Pelican lights are just as good and most are water resistant. As well as Inova lights. I've used all three while working security and still use them while buried inside a machine
www.pelican.com
www.inovalight.com

[bh49]

grunt,
thank you very much for Lowes tip. I will stop by, to take a look.

Jonny,
Thank you for info. Are Pelican and Inova made in US? Can you recommend specific models?

[vito72]

EDC one 2 cell incandescent maglite was a gift i had from usa to my friend,but now i want buy a tactical led flashlight, so i searched around and in my research models i think the best products i like are fenix but they are China made if you want take a look...

http://www.fenixlight.com/

[rcbalt2]

I edc a fenix TK20 and so far its been a great light. 2 modes of output long run time on lower level and extremely drop resistant. It is china made but it works great and runs off of 2 AA batteries.

[asfaltpiloot]

Hi bh49

A few come to mind:

Fenix L2D / LD20
Olight T25
Nitecore D20
Eagletac P10A2
Jetbeam Jet-1 Pro EX ver. 2.0

A few exceed your $50 limit but are worth every penny.
Have fun looking them all up :D

The CandelPowerForum is a good forum for more info, nice guys.
www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/

Take care and of course a happy new year,
Robert.

[vito72]

I think TK series are very good products expecially TK 11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA4FEq4PsBs&feature=related

here one short comparition with Inova product.

[SimpleIsGood229]

The Surefire G2 LED is a great choice. However, if you want a pocket-sized light that is really, really, really bright, simply buy a plain-jane Surefire 6P, then buy a Malkoff M60 LED module. You can get a 6P on fleeBay for $55.00 shipped, and the Malkoff (from www.malkoffdevices.com) for $49.00 + $8.00 shipping.

You can also get a Cabela's clone of Surefire's 6P for $30.00. Malkoff even states that the Cabela's lights will work with their drop-ins. So, for around $90.00, you can have a flame thrower of a light

I have a Malkoff M60, and I must say, the quality is outstanding. The thing is really, really bright. It's more than twice as bright as a G2 LED. It has excellent throw and quite a bit of flood. You may be a bit leery about spending $57.00 just on the LED pill. Heck, I was. I finally got a Malkoff, and I absolutely love it!

www.candlepowerforums.com has a load of info on it.

[Domanfp]

I was going to suggest nitecore or fenix, but I think both are not US made.

[bh49]

I want to thank everybody for advises. So far Surefire 6P looks like a good choice. What about E2E?

[TheKnifeCollector]

The SF G2 LED is an awesome light. I am very fond of SF lights.

[jimbo@stn24]

Don't think you can go wrong with either. Would like to add that incandescent light has a "warmer" tint that makes colours appear more natural whereas LED has a harsher more artificial light, to me anyway. LED has the advantage of you will not require spare lamps. The 6P is a good model for dropping in LED modules if you require later on.

The E2E has similar output as a 6P with slightly longer runtime as per the Surefire catalogue. I know you have a budget but for a little extra cash you can get a 6P LED for a little more and get good output and a longer runtime. Surefire also has a number of models with dual output which will provide hours of useful light and a very bright high output when you require but they will definetly blow your budget apart.

If you go with a Surefire incandescent, I take it apart, remove the bulb, (and any spare bulbs I get) and wipe with a Q-tip dipped in alcohol and dry to remove the chance there is contaminants on the bulb that will shorten bulb life before first use. I had one fail with about 30 seconds use, Surefire replaced it no fuss, no charge, when called about it.

[tasmanH1salt]

Please, forgive my ignorance on this subject.
I always liked flashlights, but never felt spending money on them. I have few Maglites (3D cell in the car and 3-4 smaller ones in the house). May be I got bored with knives (just kidding), so I am thinking about getting a new LED flashlight. Something with power of 3-4D Maglite or better and size of 2 AA Maglite. I need flashlight for usual use, no extreme or SD use. I want aluminum body would like to spend around $50. I prefer to buy US made, absolutely no “Made in China”
I hope I didn’t hurt anybody's feelings.
Please, advice
Roman

By wanting an aluminum body, American made, and only wanting to spend 50 dollars puts a pretty big limit in the American made flashlight world. If you check out surefire they have the G2 which in LED is about 65 dollars and does not have an aluminum body. For 85 there is the 6P original LED which does have an aluminum body. So for a little more than 50 you can have a good LED that far far far surpasses the Maglites. Surefire is the best light I have owned and ever will need to own.

[clovisc]

fenix L2D

my leading choice in a light... :D

[Brad S.]

I know you said no made in China. But Fenix really is your best bet! Check out Fenixoutfitters.com I have dealt with the company quite a bit, and although its a chinese based company they are very well run. They actually remind me alot of Spyderco. Great people behind the company. Alas... I do understand the affinity to no chinese products. But I really dont think you will find what you want inside of an American product.

I think the Fenix LD20 would fit you perfectly.

[Lord vader]

This may be a little off the topic, i have one particular flashlight that i dearly love and it`s a World War 2 issue black bakelite 2D-Cell U.S.N. Flashlight that was given to me from my grandfather who was in the navy during WW2 and it works perfect for a flashlight thats now 70 years old today. :)

[grunt0331]

But I really dont think you will find what you want inside of an American product.

Spock, are out of your Vulcan mind?

[GMArthur]

I've used and abused my Surefire 6P LED for almost two years now. It has been a great light and I could not be happier in the purchase. I picked up a couple of p60 incan bulbs for when I want to go "old school" and they are nice as well. For $80 at lowes it was one of my better purchases with absolutely no buyer's remorse.

[bh49]

By wanting an aluminum body, American made, and only wanting to spend 50 dollars puts a pretty big limit in the American made flashlight world.


But I really dont think you will find what you want inside of an American product.


Gentlemen, Ladyies,
Probably the big part to set up the cost limit of $50 was due to my ignorance on the subject. I saw on the web some Inova (X1 and X5) and Pelican lights in this price range, but I have no idea on how good they are and if they fit my needs. Also SF-6P-BK @ our favorite pharmacy is little over $50. I am planning to carry and use this light, so to buy used on the bay or Forums also is an option. I certainly can, and most likely will, add some cash to this purchase. Still I need input from people who know the subject and who I trust, this was the primary reason why I asked this question on Spyderco forum. And I appreciate you advice.

[bh49]

The 6P is a good model for dropping in LED modules if you require later on.

The E2E has similar output as a 6P with slightly longer runtime as per the Surefire catalogue. I know you have a budget but for a little extra cash you can get a 6P LED for a little more and get good output and a longer runtime. Surefire also has a number of models with dual output which will provide hours of useful light and a very bright high output when you require but they will definetly blow your budget apart.



jimbo@stn24,
Thank you.
Few questions
Can you clarify what you mean by dropping LED moduls and give me rough idea on how much it can cost?
What is dual output?

[jimbo@stn24]

bh49,
By dual output I mean you can have a low and a high beam if you will. I can't remember the exact numbers but it is in the rough area of a 20 lumen low and a little further push on the tail switch gives a 100 lumen high on my L2, the problem is the price, Surefire quality doesn't come cheap as you've discovered. I believe the new E1B is a single cell light with 2 levels as well as the E2D LED. Have an old L1 that is also dual level light, 3 lumen low and 20 something on high. In the middle of the night with night adapted eyes, 3 lumens is a nice level, I tried the low on my L2 once and nearly blinded myself in a tent. For the majority of my tasks I use the low and the batteries last somewhere around 6 hours+ with occasional use of the high. It gives nice flexability.

For drop in LED modules, one of the previous posters mentioned a Malkoff LED. I have not used one, but everything I've read says they are very well made, nice tint, and great output. The only problem is they sell for about $50. You just take out your incandescent bulb/reflector assembly out of your 6P, replace it with the drop in, and presto, you now have a great LED flashlight. You can also drop in a Surefire LED lamp assembly (a bit cheaper) and at any time go back to incandescent by reversing the procedure. I think you will be able to single source all of this except for a Malkoff at Newgraham. They also sell lithium cells in bulk that are a great deal versus buying them at regular outlets.

Please pardon the lengthy reply, am hoping this helps. Flashlight reviews and candlepowerforums are good places to visit for good quality info.

[bh49]

Please pardon the lengthy reply, am hoping this helps.

jimbo@stn24,
Thank you for your as you said "lengthy reply" and sharing your knowledge.
Today I had a chance to stop at Lowe's and see 6P LED and G2 LED. So far I like 6P LED, it is more expensive than 6PBK, but 11 hours run time sound much better than 60 minutes. 6PLED sound like what I need.

Thank you very much everybody for sharing you knowledge.
Roman

[SimpleIsGood229]

Keep in mind, though, that the 6P LED only runs for around 3.5-4 hours on full-power. After that, it gradually loses brightness.

I suggest buying your Surefire over the 'Net. It's a good bit cheaper that way.

[markg]

Like all things in life, it is better to spend $100 on a light you will really want and use, then to buy one for $50 then 6 months later buy one that is $100...

There are lots of lights out there, however those who know their lights will tell you can get brighter for cheaper from a lot of lights other than Surefire... HOWEVER you will not get a more reliable light than a Surefire, and in a light that is VERY important.

As for LED vs. Incandescent.

Actually the LED will work off a battery longer than the "bulb" (Incandescent) version will. Once you get to a certain level of power the bulb will not light. LED's will continue to produce light. (I believe this was stated backwards in a post above).

Bulbs produce a more natural "yellow" light, and it used to be that LED white light was sort of an annoying "blue" however that has gotten much better in the last few years.

LED's are practically indestructible, and will last the life of the light. Bulbs will not. This also makes LED's superior to bulbs on weapon mounted lights.

LED's require digital circuitry to regulate light output (Why? Is the reason above. Naturally, the output of the light would diminish with the power in the battery). This used to drive up costs, but is not as much an issue now. Both LED's and bulbs will run hot, however in different ways. Bulbs will be hot out the front, where a LED's gets hot in the bezel (circuitry).

Up until a few years ago, it was difficult to get above 100 Lumens with an LED. Today that is not the case, however the Bulb still rules in ultra-high output... However that will not be for long.

LED's ofter have multiple output levels and run longer than their bulb counterpart.

I have at one time owned almost the 16 Surefires at one time, I have sold most as I know what I like and use today.

I would not buy a bulb driven light today, get an LED.

What should you get? Depends... How will you use the light and how will you carry? If you plan to EDC a light and don't want a belt holster... Don't get the 6P or G2... Go for the E Series. The highest recommendation I would give for a light is the E1e or the Backup. You can carry both clipped to your pocket and do so for days. The newer E1e with the CREE LED has INSANE output for a one (yes ONE) battery light (same for the Backup). Keep in mind the batteries are NOT cheap. The E1e is my GO TO light. Period. Worth the extra coin.

When I want a little extra length in the body of the light (which frankly is sometimes a good thing) I go for my L2, if I need a "Clicky" tail cap or higher output, I go for my U2... However the larger bezel on this light makes it harder to carry in the pocket.

Lights are as fun as knives... :)

[bh49]

Mark,
Thank you for information. One thing I am pretty sure that I will buy LED light, not 100% sure, which one yet. I was thinking about 6PLBK, but you made me think about something smaller.


Like all things in life, it is better to spend $100 on a light you will really want and use, then to buy one for $50 then 6 months later buy one that is $100...


I am absolutely agree with you, but the biggest problem is that I know that I want a flashlight, but no idea what for :eek:.
there was much easier with :spyder:. Before I started to carry Spydercos, I carried SAK for at least 8 years, and before that I had some key chain knife.
I never EDC flashlight. I have Maglite in the car and few Maglite in the house.
I already started to feel that I need two of them, but I barely can buy one.
Funds are limited, money are coming from Spyderco fund. :eek::o



Go for the E Series. The highest recommendation I would give for a light is the E1e or the Backup.
Lights are as fun as knives... :)

Is E1E LED or incandescent? I looked at Surefire website and found information
only about E1E with bulb.

One more question. What are good places to buy the lights? I know only pharmacy, CPF and e-bay.

[SimpleIsGood229]

Is E1E LED or incandescent? I looked at Surefire website and found information
only about E1E with bulb.The E1E Executive Elite is incandescent. The LED equivalent would be the L1 Lumamax, E1B Backup, or E1L Outdoorsman. Keep in mind tht these are all single-battery lights. The two-cell equivalent would be the E2D LED (120 lumens). These lights are all based on the Executive Series (E-Series), which means the light bodies are thinned out as much as possible. The 6P family has a bit thicker body (1" dia.).


One more question. What are good places to buy the lights? I know only pharmacy, CPF and e-bay.LA Police Gear (.com) is an excellent place, as their prices are good and they generally include free batteries.

I know this can be very confusing if one isn't intimately familiar with the Surefire lineup. So, feel free to PM me with any questions. Yeah, I've caught that nasty Surefire bug...:D

[wescobts]

I have to say my mag lights are holding tough, and if I lose it or worse its an easy replacement.

[Azad]

IMO the 6P is a very good choice if you are going for a made in USA light. Very tough built. I've used them for work when I was in the coast guard. Had one slip out of my hand and fell down a flight of stair onto steel deck and it was none the worst. Very good as a weapons light on our HKMP5 if you're thinking of using it that way. Drop-ins are available online for a Q5 or R2 LED. For my use I feel the standard xenon is ok for quick operations. If you're looking for an alternative then get the Fenix TK11, it is tough. Very tough and priced quite reasonably. More battery options too as you can use 18650s for extended runtime and 2mode (Hi-Lo). Got mine locally (Singapore) for USD72. Specs are similar or exceeding the 6P and our local agent does repairs FOC or for a small fee..

To be honest I'm happy with both these lights. Surefires are expensive here. Some may say it's all hype but I've had good experiences with them. IMHO I feel it's a good buy if you're going to put it to hard use and yes a Surefire usually tells people you are serious about "lighting up". My only bugbear is that Surefire may be a bit slow implementing the latest LEDs compared to other manufacturers. Maybe it's because they put their products to more rigorous testing compared to other companies.

It's all good, just different.

I don't collect lights BTW, just have those 2 and they've served me fine... 6P for 5years. TK11 about a year. I always have 2 when I'm out jungle fishing.

[DMgangl]

I know the OP's price range was $50 starting out but since he is looking into a more expensive E2E, I have to give me new advice. Buy the E1B Backup. I have always carried my G2L lights almost everywhere I go. I carry them even more then my E2E because of the battery life. Over the weekend a buddy of mine talked me into buying a Backup. I am glad I did, this little light is awesome. The dual output light is great with the 80-5 lumens, and on 5 lumens it runs for 37 hours and off only 1 battery. It is extremely small and I wil carry it everywhere no matter what.

DM

[bh49]

Thank you for input.
$50 is already out dated. SimpleIsGood229 convinced me to spend a little more :eek: And now I am thinking about getting 6PL and one of smaller lights, with Backup been one of the choices. I would prefer L1, but I can get Backup for much less. I found the tip on CPF, where you can get it for just a hundred bucks:eek:

[jimbo@stn24]

Some great info in here. Gotta say I agree with Mark, there is alot of justification to go with a LED, although I kinda like an incandescent now and then. But when I compare a circuit controlled 2+ hour runtime of a Surefire L5 @ over 65 lumens to 1 hour of the 65 lumens out of a typical Surefire 2 cell light, why would I want incandescent light? And I don't even have the newer Surefire LED technology. It's kinda nice to not be concerned with spare lamps/bulbs.

One question I have for those with E1B's is does it have the same narrow style pencil beam as the old L1? Would be great if it was more of a flood style like the L2, one of my favorites.

[jimbo@stn24]

Good eye Roman! :) Please come back and let us know how you made out and your thoughts on what light(s) you decide on.

[SimpleIsGood229]

Thank you for input.
$50 is already out dated. SimpleIsGood229 convinced me to spend a little more :eek::D:D:D

[markg]

Is E1E LED or incandescent? I looked at Surefire website and found information
only about E1E with bulb.



Sorry, brain lapse... that was the L1...

I do keep one incandescent that I plan to never get rid of,

The Mighty M3... :)

[DMgangl]

Jimbo,
On 5 lumens the concentrated part of the beam is kinda small but good for the task it was designed with a good spread of light. The 80 lumen out put is awesome, the light covers a large area and a good solid concentrated center that at 3-5" would be enough to full cover a mans face.
A good comparison would be a G2L, holding the G2L and E1B side by side in a dark room the beams are very similar.
DM

[jimbo@stn24]

Thanks for your time DMgangl and your post. Going to have to have a boo at one when I can get ahead of some bills and projects that are on the go. I can't get over how much the runtimes and performance of the new flashlights has eclipsed the older lights that were no slouches to start with.

[TCSpyder]

I purchased a Dorcy LED light at Sears for about 25 bucks. About the size of a mini-mag light, but with more girth. Very bright. Batteries last forever. It has a strobe feature as well. You can't beat it. A lot of the Surefire lights eat batteries. This thing takes 3 AAA.

[SimpleIsGood229]

I purchased a Dorcy LED light at Sears for about 25 bucks. About the size of a mini-mag light, but with more girth. Very bright. Batteries last forever. It has a strobe feature as well. You can't beat it. . .This thing takes 3 AAA.I had one similar to that. IIRC, the package said 45 lumens. I got it for $10 at Wal*Fart.


A lot of the Surefire lights eat batteries.
Only the incandescents and older-generation LED models.

[bh49]

Today I received my new 6PL and I am very impressed. Now I need one more, a little one. Not sure yet:E1B or E1L or L1 :confused:.
Most likely L1.

Gentlemen, Ladies,
Thank you very much for help and support.
Special thanks to SimpleIsGood229.

The only problem so far with this light, that I didn't figure it out how to sharpen it on Sharpmaker :confused:
Any advices? :D

[grunt0331]

actually, it will sharpen your sharpmaker.

congrats on a superb selection. you will not be disappointed with the performance of that little guy.

[TheKnifeCollector]

CONGRATS on your choice! May I also suggest that you check out Novatac. They are great lights.
Novatac (http://www.novatac.com/)

[Doc Pyres]

I picked up a Surefire E1B Backup a few months ago and it is fantastic. It's my first Surefire and my first LED after years of disappointment with a variety of Maglites and cheapo generic junk. Maglites are okay I guess but the Backup is in a whole other class. Wow! I'm really fighting the collecting itch on these things now.

[jag-engr]

Congratulations on your new Surefire!

If you want a pocketable made-in-the-USA EDC light, you need to look into Peak LEDs. They are single level only, but they are quite compact and well-made. You may be able to find something within the $50 range.

Their website is next to useless. Don't look at it - it will only confuse you. Instead, check out this tutorial (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=212589) at CPF.

[Ainsley]

Great choice on the 6PL, and yes you do need a more compact 1xCR123 light. I personally have a E1L as well as a Novatac 120P and find myself carrying the Novatac alot more often.

One thing you should know about the Surefire E series lights is that they use an optic to gather and project the light. This results in amazing throw for the diameter of the head (throw usually requires a very large head) but produces a very tight spot that is not very useful for upclose work. A very good solution is to use the F04 beamshaper, which turns the light into pure flood; I personally use this on my E1L and it makes a great work light.

For this reason I would HIGHLY suggest you check out the Novatac lights. The 120E currently sells for under $100 if you look around and there is a way to access the programmable features, turning it into a full 120P. Novatac uses a short, textured reflector that produces quite a lot of flood but still maintains a useful hotspot. The texturing on the reflector gives the beam a smooth transition from the hotspot to spill without any rings or artifacts.

I know you will be happy with either of these great lights, but my vote would be for the Novatac.

Edit: The E series lights are 2 modes which cannot be adjusted, the Novatac lights are 4 modes and once you access the programming all modes can be changed.

[NoFair]

Gentlemen, Ladyies,
Probably the big part to set up the cost limit of $50 was due to my ignorance on the subject. I saw on the web some Inova (X1 and X5) and Pelican lights in this price range, but I have no idea on how good they are and if they fit my needs. Also SF-6P-BK @ our favorite pharmacy is little over $50. I am planning to carry and use this light, so to buy used on the bay or Forums also is an option. I certainly can, and most likely will, add some cash to this purchase. Still I need input from people who know the subject and who I trust, this was the primary reason why I asked this question on Spyderco forum. And I appreciate you advice.

Inova makes the very good T1 that has a street price of about $50 and is made in the US.

$52 with free shipping: http://http://www.knivesshipfree.com/LED-Flashlights-INOVA-LED-Lights/c617_612/p2629/INOVA-Lights:-T1-Tactical-LED-Flashlight-100-Lumen/product_info.html

It is 100 lumens out the front and runs for 4+ hours at that brightness, the 6PL is about as bright at the start, but drops in output a bit too fast. It is IMHO a better choice than a 6PL or G2L from Surefire. And I love my Surefires;)

The T1 is also usually less bluish then most led lights due to Inova using a different led than most other brands.

Surefire's lower end led lights aren't very good at the moment, they can easily be fitted with a Malkoff drop in making them wonderful, but then you are over $100..

Sverre

Edit: saw you got the 6PL a bit late...

[NoFair]

Today I received my new 6PL and I am very impressed. Now I need one more, a little one. Not sure yet:E1B or E1L or L1 :confused:.
Most likely L1.

Gentlemen, Ladies,
Thank you very much for help and support.
Special thanks to SimpleIsGood229.

The only problem so far with this light, that I didn't figure it out how to sharpen it on Sharpmaker :confused:
Any advices? :D

I'd go for the L1 in every way.

Novatac has lower QC now then at the start of their production, but it is still a good light. They can at times be had at very low prices.

If you register on cpfmarketplace.com there are some good deals to be had on flashlights from dealers and member:D

[SimpleIsGood229]

Surefire's lower end led lights aren't very good at the moment, they can easily be fitted with a Malkoff drop in making them wonderful, but then you are over $100.. I am a Malkoff believer, man! Those little things are amazing. Gene (Malkoff) even has warm-tinted versions. I'm tempted to get the M60W next.

[bh49]

saw you got the 6PL a bit late...

May be this is a bit late, but never too late. 6pL is my first LED light and I like it.
It is little too big to share my front pocket with Persian and cell phone, but I think will be great for car flashlight.


I'd go for the L1 in every way.

Novatac has lower QC now then at the start of their production, but it is still a good light. They can at times be had at very low prices.

If you register on cpfmarketplace.com there are some good deals to be had on flashlights from dealers and member:D

I will keep my eye on Novatac as well, and for $50 will get it for sure, but right now L1 sound like a winner.

[Cuttingedge]

hELLO

I bought a Fenix l2d with two aa batteries. ITS GOOOOOOOD

Just buy one and fall in love. It's better then my Mac Charger or
anything I've had..

BEn:cool:

[Tom v S]

Better yet, buy the new LD20. Same as the L2d, but with more power.

[bh49]

Better yet, buy the new LD20. Same as the L2d, but with more power.

Not that soon. I need (want) a little pocket light, something smaller than 6PL

[bh49]

Update for my friends on this Forum.
Just pulled a trigger on L1. L.A. police gears has 15% off until midnight of 21. So hurry up guys. I couldn't resist. :o
No more knives or lights for me until March :eek: or February :D.
February, actually sound better. :D:D:D

[cdf]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Inova is US made , and has models in the OP's price range . They are a tad bit conservative but well done .

Chris

[bh49]

To the best of my knowledge, Inova lights made in US. I was thinking about T1 as one of options for smaller light, along with L1 and Novatacks.