UFOs real? Mitchel speaks out

[J Smith]

Has anyone else seen the interview he gave.I found it after hearing a small news clip on the radio,have not heard anything at all about it sense.
Looks like people that know something are starting to let things leak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXTXbi_VhJU&feature=related

[LouDog5446]

Considering the size of the universe, amount of stars.... pretty good chance of life in the universe other than earth.

[nathan310]

It's funny you should post that because I have found myself extremely interested in UFOs lately.

I believe in God too.

And I was thinking that if God could create our universe with all it's vastness and amazing things...

He could easily produce other planets with life on them.

And I believe he probably has.

To give you a example of my interestin them...

I usualy watch atleast one UFO show a day.

But sometimes 2 or 3 a day.

I either recod them on my dvr or instant view them on netfilx.

I was just watching a show talking about the french goverment's releasing their UFO files and urging other countries to do the same.

And a manual we issue to our firemen has a section that deals with what should be done if they encounter a UFO.

Thing's like contact the military asap and avoid doing anything that could be interpetted as a provocation.

It's amazing.

[nathan310]

Here is the link to the UFO section of the FEMA manual.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread39572/pg1

[Doc Pyres]

I want to believe, to quote that poster on the wall of Fox Muldar's office, but the reality of "UFOs" is limited by physics. I think the whole UFO thing is a sign of our human limitations. Just because we can't 'see' other intelligent life in the universe, doesn't mean it isn't there in abundance. Why bother speculating on whether it exists or not? However, excepting the possibility aliens have found some almost magical way to transcend the laws of physics, it would be so time and energy intensive to build space ships and send them out whizzing around the universe, that it seems unlikely UFOs have visited Earth. Anything is possible I suppose, but it is WAY beyond our small brains to grasp. Maybe the alternative is that this little planet with its thin blue sky, heart-wrenching beauty, and seething masses of humanity is all there is or ever will be in the whole universe, at least for humans and the other creatures that share this jewel of a home. And we are quickly sending it down the sh*tter. Although I'd love to shake a little green man's hand and zip around the stars in a flying saucer, I wouldn't trade this beautiful Earth for that ever. I hope we can save our home before it's too late. :(

[nathan310]

I think it's possible because there has always been someone proving on paper things couldn't be done...

And next thing you know they're doing what someone had proved on paper couldn't be.

For example it was said a airplane that was heavier than air would never fly.

[OuchThatsSharp]

The laws of physics as we know them are known because we've found/discovered them. We didn't create/invent them. Just like Benjamin Franklin didn't "invent" electricity, it has always been there, he just found/discovered it. There very well could be (probably are) other "laws" of physics that we haven't found/discovered/understand yet. It would be very naive of the human race to think that "we" are the only intelligent life in the universe. I have an open mind about UFO's, but I'm of the ilk "show me". :rolleyes:

[Doc Pyres]

I think it's possible because there has always been someone proving on paper things couldn't be done...

And next thing you know they're doing what someone had proved on paper couldn't be.

For example it was said a airplane that was heavier than air would never fly.

Maybe you're right. I'm starting to think my wife is an alien. :D

[SoCal Operator]

It would be very naive of the human race to think that "we" are the only intelligent life in the universe. I have an open mind about UFO's, but I'm of the ilk "show me". :rolleyes:

I am in agreement. It's one of those things that doesn't concern me too much, but I like to think about. Is there life elsewhere in the Universe? Probably, but I have a gig this Thursday and I'm not sure if the garage we're playing in has a decent enough PA system so I tend not to worry about the aliens.

[dialex]

I think they consider the humanity prepared enough to let them know about aliens. Or maybe we have reached a critical point where the contact is inevitable.
As much as I'd like to see it happen, I'm not very sure it will be for the best of mankind, especially if the contact will be initiated by the extraterestrials.
After all, when the conquistadores came in America more than five hundred years ago, they gave to the indigens mirrors and glass balls in exchange for gold.
It would be great to find out that the aliens are our brothers, who will bring the cure for cancer, will save humanity from starvation and will provide an unlimited source of energy. However, I'm afraid it won't happen, or if by chance it will, it will prove to be a bad deal eventually.

OTOH, what UFO? It was a weather baloon! :p

[The Deacon]

Is there life on other planets - certainly yes - probablitly 99.999%.

Is there life as intelligent or more intelligent than "us" - quite possibly - probabliity 70%.

Has any of that intelligent life found the means to travel far enough, fast enough to make a visit by them to our planet feasible - possible but unlikely - probability 5%.

Given the vastness of the cosmos, has any of that intellingent life with the means to do so actually chosen this particular speck of dust to visit - possible, but extremely unlikely - probability .005%.

Assuuming that did occur, would they visit without making contact, peaceful or otherwise, with "us", yet be "sloppy" enough that at least some were aware of their visit - possible but illogical.

And again, given the vastness of the cosmos, would they make repeated, "almost secret" visits here - even more illogical.

And finally, given all the above,

Would they be structurally similar to us (bipeds with two arms and a head)?

Would multiple goverments all both decide to keep their presence secret and be able to do so?

For all those reasons, while being confident of the existence of extra-terrestrial life, and of some of it being intelligent, I severely doubt - but cannot entirely rule out - the idea of any of it picking earth for either scientific observation or am "adventure vacation".

Well respected scientists have developed and sincerely held some strange and totally incorrect beliefs before, so for now, barring something a bit more concrete, I'm going to remain very skeptical of Dr. Mitchell's comments, at least as regarding "visitation" by "small people".

[quattrokid73]

Deacon, good observation about the limits of space travel.

I remember when I was little I thought the universe must be so big there has to be planets of giant talking pineapples and giant talking butterflies, etc.

[J Smith]

They are discovering new things all the time.I think our understanding of physics is just now at the surface.I heard not long ago about a scientist saying that if recent discoveries were made public and the public was educated as to what these discoveries evolved there would be riots in the streets all over the world.
If you listened to the whole interview,think about what you heard.This is not some UFO nut talking,it is a respected US astronaut,the 6th man to walk on the moon saying he knows with out a doubt that we have had visitors and has been made aware of it.
This interview should have had worldwide news coverage.

[J Smith]

I think they consider the humanity prepared enough to let them know about aliens. Or maybe we have reached a critical point where the contact is inevitable.
As much as I'd like to see it happen, I'm not very sure it will be for the best of mankind, especially if the contact will be initiated by the extraterestrials.
After all, when the conquistadores came in America more than five hundred years ago, they gave to the indigens mirrors and glass balls in exchange for gold.
It would be great to find out that the aliens are our brothers, who will bring the cure for cancer, will save humanity from starvation and will provide an unlimited source of energy. However, I'm afraid it won't happen, or if by chance it will, it will prove to be a bad deal eventually.

OTOH, what UFO? It was a weather baloon! :p
Thats a funny thing,its all about worth.The gold was not worth as much to the Indians as the mirrors and beads.They had lots of gold but had never seen a Mirror or Glass thus those items were worth more.

[bluemist]

I read today that Invisibility cloaks are on the way...

I'm typing into the magic wackadoo right now in a language that contains only two symbols and that language is also the structure of the magic wackadoo,
1's and 0's set up the circuits and 1's and 0's are the circuits and the content and 1's and 0's guide the messages, the images, the sounds through the magic wackadoo to other magic wackadoos at the speed of light. Wouldn't that seem impossible to anyone but Tesla a hundred years ago? We have a lot to learn and it is incredibly naive to think we as a species know everything there is to know about space and time and distance. Perhaps distance is not the issue at all and once we figured it we will collectively smack our foreheads and say "Duh! It was right there all along!!"

I believe, although not fanatically, that earth life was seeded either by random (panspermia/exogenesis) or intentionally by prehistoric aliens (I know it sounds crazy but at one time so did a round earth that wasn't the center of the universe ). It makes more sense than the platypus...

The belief that we are the only intelligent beings in this vast universe specially ordained to spread over the entire earth and plunder all is bad for our descendants and other living things.

I also believe in a Creator AKA The great architect.

[nathan310]

There are many things we don't know.

If you don't believe me...

Look into "dark matter".

Wrong link...

Try this one.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

[Agent Starling]

It doesn't weigh too heavily on my mind...I can't say whether I think there are UFOs/aliens or not, cuz I have no information on it and have never experienced it...but I'm open to at least the idea that it MAY be possible, if only because I can't imagine that it's just us and no one else in this entire Universe or any other Universe that physicists postulate might exist...:D

Agent Starling

[dete]

I for one like to take the view point of a skeptic, that being said, the subject is highly entertaining to me (I don't mean this as an offense)

I do think that the universe is vast and has life out there, but I doubt that the many UFO claims we hear about are true. Even though I think that possibly more than half of the people are being honest and think they really saw one.

[DRod]

I for one like to take the view point of a skeptic, that being said, the subject is highly entertaining to me (I don't mean this as an offense)

I do think that the universe is vast and has life out there, but I doubt that the many UFO claims we hear about are true. Even though I think that possibly more than half of the people are being honest and think they really saw one.

yeah thats pretty much the table im sitting at aswell.

[nathan310]

I think most of them can be explained with perfectly normal mundane explanations like planets,aircraft or illusions created by atmospheric phenomena...

But the ones that are making obviously intelligent manuevers, appearing on radar and moving many miles in a split second are not so easy to dismiss IMO.

[Agent Starling]

On the one hand, it seems to me that some of us want to see a UFO, and so any object in the sky that we can't explain becomes labelled as "UFO".

OTOH, the fact that the government addresses this topic intrigues me to no end...:D

Agent Starling

[nathan310]

Does UFO not stand for unidefied flying object?

If there's something in the sky that no one can identify then that's exactly what it is...

A UFO.

I realize that people are going to believe what they want.

I used be a person that thought we humans are the end all be all, the only intelligence in the universe and our scientists and their theories are the alpha and omega of knowledge and truth in the universe.

But after a few experienecs that fly in the face of that belief system I reconsidered.

I'm not saying I've seen UFOs but I have had spiritual experiences that I know can't be fully conveyed through written(Actually typed:D) words on a forum.

So I will say I don't know what they are for certain...

My opinion is there's a strong possibility they are intelligently controlled.

And it's just a opinion, that in the big picture probably has no importance other than value of this conversation and will have no impact on anything.

As will 99.9% as the opinions here...

Except maybe Sal's...

His opinions can have a huge impact on the knife world.

[girlyMANN]

As certain as we all are about just where exactly man stands in the universe (lol); for throughtout the entire known history of mankind, nobody has ever come up with a single universally accepted and conclusive reason as to why we were put here in the first place (religion aside).
I sincerely believe that science is full of theories thought of by man (which time can easily disprove).
And that's the core of the problem, man couldn't have possibly created the universe and the life that populates it.
And therefore, man can never hope to explain in entirety the mysteries of what he has had no hand in.
Questions like alien lifeforms, parallel universe and even life after death are all related to man's own sense of physical frailty.
There's really no need to look so far ahead, when the biggest question confronting man is still staring us plainly stright in the face... is there life after death?
I suppose in the end we'll all soon know the truth about life after death more than the quest about hypothetical intergalactic travel...
ETs are like bogeymen, that for something we can't explain would likely pose more questions than probable answers.

[nathan310]

When I logged onto spyderco forums tonight...

I never expected to hear something as wise and profound as that.

Thank you for that.

[dete]

I've seen quite a handful of UFO documentaries,
one of the worst (as in dishonest) that I've ever seen was the Mexico one, and the best one I've seen was about this journalist that wanted to just reach a conclusion for himself. He did research from WWII and talked about how the scientists in Germany were transferred to Nevada and continued their research. Then he met up with a CIA agent who said that it was propaganda, basically like mind manipulation of the general public (and judging from all the eye witness accounts seems to have worked very well imo)
So bottom line, who knows what the gov/military has as far as new technology, and that is perhaps what people are seeing combined with propaganda. It was also interesting how the Russians back in the Cold War days according to this guy's research/report, said that they conducted possibly the largest UFO observation in history and concluded that UFO as in Alien driven spacecraft do not exist.

[Agent Starling]

I used be a person that thought we humans are the end all be all, the only intelligence in the universe and our scientists and their theories are the alpha and omega of knowledge and truth in the universe.
Ha! Let's not forget the philosophers...


But after a few experienecs that fly in the face of that belief system I reconsidered.

I'm not saying I've seen UFOs but I have had spiritual experiences that I know can't be fully conveyed through written(Actually typed:D) words on a forum.
...and the mystics! :D

Good points all, nathan! :)

Agent Starling

[lerman]

[QUOTE=The Deacon;446952]Is there life on other planets - certainly yes - probablitly 99.999%.

Is there life as intelligent or more intelligent than "us" - quite possibly - probabliity 70%.

Has any of that intelligent life found the means to travel far enough, fast enough to make a visit by them to our planet feasible - possible but unlikely - probability 5%.

Given the vastness of the cosmos, has any of that intellingent life with the means to do so actually chosen this particular speck of dust to visit - possible, but extremely unlikely - probability .005%.

QUOTE]

you know Paul, new studies show that 99.7% of all statistics are made up by people just to sound smart.
just kidding...:D