trainer legality in Canada

[stoneman]

Hey folks,

First of all, I know Spyderco's stance on balisongs and trainers. I fully understand and respect their position and I'm in no way trying to get around any laws. I'm trying to understand them. Can anyone tell me if a balisong trainer (from some other unnamed company) is legal in Canada? I've read the law but there's nothing concrete in there. No mention of training knives of any knid. I assume no sharp edge=not a knife. Am I wrong to assume this. If there are any canucks out there who can help me out It would be much appreciated. I'm trying to get my facts straight before I risk a customs confiscation.
Thanks

[The Deacon]

From what I understand, which may or may not be correct, Spyderco is allowed to sell automatics and balisongs to distributors and dealers outside the USA, subject only to the regulations imposed by the distributor's/dealer's country. Those sources can then, in turn, sell those items to anyone legally entitled to own them. So, assuming Balisong trainers are legal in Canada, and that you would be able to purchase one legally, Spyderco would, at least in theory, be able to sell them to Canadian dealers who, in turn, could legally sell one to you.

As for your question, it is never safe to assume any law is logical, or will be interpreted and enfoced in a logical manner.

[stoneman]

So, assuming Balisong trainers are legal in Canada,

That's the question I'm hoping someone can answer for me:confused:

[aj1985]

I have ordered 4 BM trainers and each and everyone of these made it through customs. They were ordered from new graham and knifecenter. 2 went through customs and 2 didn't. The ones that went through custom were each opened and I was taxed on em. If you want them they are legal imo within Canada.

Just label them as a Martial arts training tool and they will get in without to much of a hassle.

take care
aj

[spyke]

Perhaps if challenged the appeal might go like this...

Excerpt from s.84 from the Criminal Code of Canada

"prohibited weapon" means
(a) a knife that has a blade that opens automatically by gravity or centrifugal force or by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the knife

It is reasonable that the Balisong (knife) falls into this category (centrifugal) force.

Knife:(use the Canadian OED but for discussion purposes I'm including some web definitons):

edge tool used as a cutting instrument; has a pointed blade with a sharp edge and a handle
a weapon with a handle and blade with a sharp point


The denied entry into Canada (or basis for an appeal) would hinge on whether the trainer was considered a "knife" by the reviewing officer.

btw - manufactures can sell* these knives to Canadian dealers licenced by the provincial CFO but those dealers can only sell to elligable agencies (*insofar as export conditions are met).

[stoneman]

just thought I'd let everyone know I did get my trainer. Yes they are legal and no it didn't require any special labelling. It was marked " balisong trainer" and went through all the normal, legal channels without a hitch. thanks again to all for the input:)