This was stated pretty clearly by Sal previously in this thread. We should respect it.
Some other time it would be fun to see what non-Spyderco knives Sal owns/likes. I assume he must have some other knives.
This was stated pretty clearly by Sal previously in this thread. We should respect it.
Sal, you personally help me to justify a slightly price. Caring about your employees also helps to justify a higher price. Heck, I just bought an S30V Pink Dragonfly knowing that I was going to spend at least an extra 75% on aftermarket scales.sal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:58 pmHi Ugaarguy,
Ya know, I thought about this thread quite a bit over the past week or so. I can understand being concerned over raising prices. I too am concerned. But it's always possible to make anything cheaper. You start with the top and then you suck out quality and/or services until you've got the cheapest price. So, no, I probably am not interested in the comparisons.
If Zhyla likes to buy Chinese knives because of Budget, or whatever his reasons might be, he should buy them. There's a lot of good makers in China, feeding their families, and he's still enjoying knives. I don't think that he's going to persuade me to change my business model. If you like Cold Steel, you should get what you like. I've known Lynn for over 40 years. He's always made good knives.
We offer our products and services for a price that we think is fair, especially since we do so many things, other than sell knives. If a model can't hold it's own with sales, then it's discontinued, and we'll try to create a new interesting model. We listen to our customers, and we've learned a lot from this thread, for which I thank you.
My wife, Gail, says; "When you buy a Spyderco knife, you are not buying a knife, you are investing in an American company".
sal
I like that design. It resembles the Lum knives Spyderco used to make. I might get one.zhyla wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:41 pmThis question wasn't directed at me but I will comment. Here is one of my purchases this week, a Vosteed Nightshade. This is a $70 knife with Nitro-V steel, liner lock, bearings, skeletonized liners, and micarta scales.
I'm sending it back because it's actually the wrong version (I ordered the thumbhole version). I don't care for the blackwash but otherwise this knife is really, really impressive. The edge is unbelievably sharp. 0.016" behind the edge. The rough micarta feels great. The scales are contoured, not just flat slabs. The clip is unexciting but works well. Ergos are good. Action is amazing.
The thumbstud version is IMO dangerous. The blade flies out once you overcome the detente and your thumb can trail behind it. Is this why Spyderco doesn't do a lot of knives on bearings?
There has been a lot of talk in this thread about how Spyderco designs have some quality (soul, charisma) and the stuff we see from competitors don't. In general I agree with this intangible. But this knife has soul IMO. It's supposed to channel the famous Shilin Cutter knives from a certain part of China.
Anyway, look at that knife and think: this is what the Astute or Tenacious are up against.
I'm old, so maybe I can help:ChrisinHove wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 12:55 pmI wonder whether the tools our forbears had to buy were any cheaper relative to their incomes?
Has anyone got an old Sears catalogue, to compare?
It sounds like you're looking at it from a resale or replacement value perspective - in which case you're probably correct.Erich wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:32 amI bought a ton of Spydercos in 2022 but I noticed that I'm only carrying a good old s30v pm2. I feel like I can't use the others because I bought them so low, like a $127 Bradley 2, $156 15v Manix, or $175 pm2 Maxamet, and their prices are so high now and will continue increasing. It's like these types became investments and I just can't use them. Anyone else feel like this? I'm value trapped by my own knives because the inflation is so bad.
Not meaning to critizise you by any means (who am I to tell people how to enjoy their knives?), but 100 % no, I don´t feel like that.Erich wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:32 am.....I bought a ton of Spydercos in 2022 but I noticed that I'm only carrying a good old s30v pm2. I feel like I can't use the others because I bought them so low, like a $127 Bradley 2, $156 15v Manix, or $175 pm2 Maxamet, and their prices are so high now and will continue increasing. It's like these types became investments and I just can't use them. Anyone else feel like this? I'm value trapped by my own knives because the inflation is so bad.
You're a good man! I feel encouraged to break out the Maxamet...Wartstein wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:03 amNot meaning to critizise you by any means (who am I to tell people how to enjoy their knives?), but 100 % no, I don´t feel like that.Erich wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:32 am.....I bought a ton of Spydercos in 2022 but I noticed that I'm only carrying a good old s30v pm2. I feel like I can't use the others because I bought them so low, like a $127 Bradley 2, $156 15v Manix, or $175 pm2 Maxamet, and their prices are so high now and will continue increasing. It's like these types became investments and I just can't use them. Anyone else feel like this? I'm value trapped by my own knives because the inflation is so bad.
I could never keep a Spydie that I don´t actually use a lot (exception: I kept a nib backup for my discontinued VG10 Stretch 1 for some time, but not even that anymore these days).
Actually, in a way the more special, unique, expensive it is, the more I like to use and experience it, see how, how fast and in which ways it "wears in", shows signs of use and so on.
I dont feel like that at all. My #1 edc is my sprint run pm3 with cf and s90v. I didn't buy it not to use it. It's great steel and doesn't need to be babied. Holds a edge extreme well. Would be crazy not to use it. I guess I just dont covet material things. I view knives, guns, vehicles etc... as tools.Erich wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:32 amI like that design. It resembles the Lum knives Spyderco used to make. I might get one.zhyla wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:41 pmThis question wasn't directed at me but I will comment. Here is one of my purchases this week, a Vosteed Nightshade. This is a $70 knife with Nitro-V steel, liner lock, bearings, skeletonized liners, and micarta scales.
I'm sending it back because it's actually the wrong version (I ordered the thumbhole version). I don't care for the blackwash but otherwise this knife is really, really impressive. The edge is unbelievably sharp. 0.016" behind the edge. The rough micarta feels great. The scales are contoured, not just flat slabs. The clip is unexciting but works well. Ergos are good. Action is amazing.
The thumbstud version is IMO dangerous. The blade flies out once you overcome the detente and your thumb can trail behind it. Is this why Spyderco doesn't do a lot of knives on bearings?
There has been a lot of talk in this thread about how Spyderco designs have some quality (soul, charisma) and the stuff we see from competitors don't. In general I agree with this intangible. But this knife has soul IMO. It's supposed to channel the famous Shilin Cutter knives from a certain part of China.
Anyway, look at that knife and think: this is what the Astute or Tenacious are up against.
China makes good stuff. I think the whole demonizing of China was a bad idea. If Spyderco made this knife in Taiwan it would have a $400 msrp and then the retailers would gouge you to death to maybe $300 with MAP manipulation.
I bought a ton of Spydercos in 2022 but I noticed that I'm only carrying a good old s30v pm2. I feel like I can't use the others because I bought them so low, like a $127 Bradley 2, $156 15v Manix, or $175 pm2 Maxamet, and their prices are so high now and will continue increasing. It's like these types became investments and I just can't use them. Anyone else feel like this? I'm value trapped by my own knives because the inflation is so bad.
No. I bought a knife because I like it and want to use it. If I bought a knife for 175 and it is now worth 300 would have no relevance. The ability to make 125 is rather insignificant. It was not an investment...unless i bought a 1000 of them. And then again, i would not be concerned about using one of themErich wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:32 am
I like that design. It resembles the Lum knives Spyderco used to make. I might get one.
China makes good stuff. I think the whole demonizing of China was a bad idea. If Spyderco made this knife in Taiwan it would have a $400 msrp and then the retailers would gouge you to death to maybe $300 with MAP manipulation.
I bought a ton of Spydercos in 2022 but I noticed that I'm only carrying a good old s30v pm2. I feel like I can't use the others because I bought them so low, like a $127 Bradley 2, $156 15v Manix, or $175 pm2 Maxamet, and their prices are so high now and will continue increasing. It's like these types became investments and I just can't use them. Anyone else feel like this? I'm value trapped by my own knives because the inflation is so bad.
There you go people, capiche?sal wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:13 pmI guess we could lower our prices; We could pay our crew less, take away their benefits, drop CQI, eliminate the Mule team project, stop supporting our Troops, Law enforcement, First Responders, our community. Stop printing catalogs, use cheaper materials and reduce our tolerances. Eliminate bonus's, Make all of our products in China, blow off our Research & Development, Stop experimenting with special steels, Drop the Forums, change our name to "No longer Spyderco"........................................................For what?
sal
I bought a Buck 110 in 1976. My memory is fuzzy but I think it cost around $30. Today's price is quite a bargain.