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Pelagic wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:03 am

jasonstone20 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:37 am

Sumdumguy wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:48 pm

Pelagic wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:19 pm

Did I get that right? DLC does not aid in corrosion resistance?

Nope, rust comes right through the DLC. It's a hotly debated topic, but the pictures don't lie.

DLC is for preventing light reflection during combat situations.

^This...I voted no. Either let the steel patina or use oil and keep it dry.

Not good enough for people who live on the coast. Even cruwear will rust on the very first day of use unless you are actually willing to keep oil in your pocket all day and keep the knife saturated in lubricant. DLC Cruwear would be a different story.

Hmm I dunno, I live on the coast in Louisiana, and my 52100 PM2 (probably the most reactive steel Spyderco uses) is clear as a bell even through daily use and all I do is minimal maintenance.

I voted NO.

ME: 1) I like the looks but not the extra expense, 2) I buy black blades for knives I intend to never use and keep around to look pretty, 3) I haven't had the need for a knife to be tactical stealthy as I am not military, ninja or mercenary!

I prefer knife metals with inherent corrosion resistance properties suitable for the intended use. So, I'm a stainless guy but have recently picked up a blade of 3V, Cru-Wear and LC200N to dabble in and will try them with things other than slicing. To be fair to my camp ax, pick, pry bars and wedges; they'll get some time with food prep, packaging tape and cardboard, as well as other misc slicing duties.

On a lighter note; I'm still trying to get on-board with the infatuation with M4 but haven't found the appeal. From my internet research it appears to be a tough steel that takes a fine edge that everyone is using to slice a hair in half (most everyone posts pics of this) ... certainly a task needy of a tough steel.:p On the flip side; most second hand blades of M4 I see for sale are stained and or rusted to some degree. :mad: This is not for me.

Running for cover....

CG

jasonstone20 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:37 am

Sumdumguy wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:48 pm

Pelagic wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:19 pm

Sumdumguy wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:38 pm

No DLC. Corrosion resistance isn't aided by it either.

Did I get that right? DLC does not aid in corrosion resistance?

Nope, rust comes right through the DLC. It's a hotly debated topic, but the pictures don't lie.

DLC is for preventing light reflection during combat situations.

^This...I voted no. Either let the steel patina or use oil and keep it dry.

Just because something is practical for you, does not make it so for others.

In my experience relying on a film of oil simply is not practical. As soon as the knife is used, the oil starts to rub off and I lose that corrosion barrier.

Like Pelagic mentioned, I don't always have time to oil a knife mid shift, nor would I want to.

Sure, I can carry a Salt, and usually do, but by offering carbon steel folders in DLC, Spyderco gives people like us more options when it comes to working knives.

Even S30V would rust within a week for me during my summer shifts, but because Spyderco offers it in DLC, I can carry it year round without a worry.

JonLeBlanc wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:08 pm

Pelagic wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:03 am

jasonstone20 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:37 am

Sumdumguy wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:48 pm

Nope, rust comes right through the DLC. It's a hotly debated topic, but the pictures don't lie.

DLC is for preventing light reflection during combat situations.

^This...I voted no. Either let the steel patina or use oil and keep it dry.

Not good enough for people who live on the coast. Even cruwear will rust on the very first day of use unless you are actually willing to keep oil in your pocket all day and keep the knife saturated in lubricant. DLC Cruwear would be a different story.

Hmm I dunno, I live on the coast in Louisiana, and my 52100 PM2 (probably the most reactive steel Spyderco uses) is clear as a bell even through daily use and all I do is minimal maintenance.

I worked in Venice, LA for 3 months near the mouth of the Mississippi river AND lived on the river on a quarter barge (1 hour boat ride from Venice). I had a Gerber in 440C and saw some rust spots every now and then.

But I should have specified east coast. The common northeast winds make the entire area a salt fest. And where I grew up, the common sou-westers do too.

If 52100 is not rusting, you do not live in a salty environment.

My territory is from north Georgia to Jacksonville. So, hot and humid most of the time. I rusted Rex45 in 2 hours, M4 has given me no trouble.

Sumdumguy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:51 pm

My territory is from north Georgia to Jacksonville. So, hot and humid most of the time. I rusted Rex45 in 2 hours, M4 has given me no trouble.

I'm just south of Milledgeville, GA currently visiting in-laws, M4 rusts here.

My neck of the Beach is south East Florida 52100 will rust if you look at it wrong here but it does not even take a beach environment, just use it or K390 in the kitchen and wipe it with a towel and fail to follow up with a second super clean towel and you will have a nice rust all over the place.

Food Safe Mineral oil like used on a cutting board is very much your friend with these steels.

Sorry earlier I referenced the Autonomy I meant the Citedal https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/detail ... roduct=690

This knife has a black coating that puts my few DLC Militaries to shame trying to figure out what makes it so different. Whay that coating is so much more wear resistant.

Turns out it is a different coating.

"non-reflective black carbonitride coating."

Does spyderco still use this non-reflective black carbonitride coating?

Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:12 pm

My neck of the Beach is south East Florida 52100 will rust if you look at it wrong here but it does not even take a beach environment, just use it or K390 in the kitchen and wipe it with a towel and fail to follow up with a second super clean towel and you will have a nice rust all over the place.

Food Safe Mineral oil like used on a cutting board is very much your friend with these steels.

I lived in Dania Beach/Hollywood for 2 years, anywhere close? Rust was bad there as well.

I voted No. :)

I don't like how it looks and I very much doubt it does much to protect an unmaintained blade. Plus your blade looks pox when the coating scratches.

The question I'm compelled to ask is; what protects the uncoated bevel, pivot area, etc?

I reckon putting a coatings on blades is akin to wearing a torn raincoat. :eek:

Now that funny Bloke!

Bloke wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:25 pm

I voted No. :)

I don't like how it looks and I very much doubt it does much to protect an unmaintained blade. Plus your blade looks pox when the coating scratches.

The question I'm compelled to ask is; what protects the uncoated bevel, pivot area, etc?

I reckon putting a coatings on blades is akin to wearing a torn raincoat. :eek:

An honest response, but one that seems to indicate you haven't used many DLC blades.

Pelagic wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:34 pm

Bloke wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:25 pm

I voted No. :)

I don't like how it looks and I very much doubt it does much to protect an unmaintained blade. Plus your blade looks pox when the coating scratches.

The question I'm compelled to ask is; what protects the uncoated bevel, pivot area, etc?

I reckon putting a coatings on blades is akin to wearing a torn raincoat. :eek:

An honest response, but one that seems to indicate you haven't used many DLC blades.

I’ve a couple of Esee’s Hitch, and I’m dancing around a 10” Junglas ... but I’d prefer they weren’t coated.

Bloke wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:51 pm

Pelagic wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:34 pm

Bloke wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:25 pm

I voted No. :)

I don't like how it looks and I very much doubt it does much to protect an unmaintained blade. Plus your blade looks pox when the coating scratches.

The question I'm compelled to ask is; what protects the uncoated bevel, pivot area, etc?

I reckon putting a coatings on blades is akin to wearing a torn raincoat. :eek:

An honest response, but one that seems to indicate you haven't used many DLC blades.

I’ve a couple of Esee’s Hitch, and I’m dancing around a 10” Junglas ... but I’d prefer they weren’t coated.

Great knives, but ESEE's coating isn't as good as Spyderco's, not even close.

Btw, the price is the only thing that prevented me from getting a junglas. I might prefer that uncoated, that particular knife I feel the coating kinda ruins (even though it still looks great in its own right).

I noticed Esee is thick and bumpy loved it so much I gave it away.

Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:01 pm

I noticed Esee is thick and bumpy loved it so much I gave it away.

:D

Pelagic wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:59 pm

Great knives, but ESEE's coating isn't as good as Spyderco's, not even close.

Yes, I’m lead to believe Spyderco coating is superior but at the end of the day a non stainless blade coated or otherwise still requires a little maintenance. It’s not as though a non stainless blade coated in something becomes a maintenance free blade and when you think about it the uncoated part of the blade i.e. the cutting edge is what ultimately needs protection but it’s bare metal. :rolleyes:

Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:01 pm

I noticed Esee is thick and bumpy loved it so much I gave it away.

Ah, hahaha! It’s not that bad Does! :rolleyes:

Pelagic wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:03 am

jasonstone20 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:37 am

Sumdumguy wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:48 pm

Pelagic wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:19 pm

Did I get that right? DLC does not aid in corrosion resistance?

Nope, rust comes right through the DLC. It's a hotly debated topic, but the pictures don't lie.

DLC is for preventing light reflection during combat situations.

^This...I voted no. Either let the steel patina or use oil and keep it dry.

Not good enough for people who live on the coast. Even cruwear will rust on the very first day of use unless you are actually willing to keep oil in your pocket all day and keep the knife saturated in lubricant. DLC Cruwear would be a different story.

Understandable.

Vivi wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:49 pm

jasonstone20 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:37 am

Sumdumguy wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:48 pm

Pelagic wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:19 pm

Did I get that right? DLC does not aid in corrosion resistance?

Nope, rust comes right through the DLC. It's a hotly debated topic, but the pictures don't lie.

DLC is for preventing light reflection during combat situations.

^This...I voted no. Either let the steel patina or use oil and keep it dry.

Just because something is practical for you, does not make it so for others.

In my experience relying on a film of oil simply is not practical. As soon as the knife is used, the oil starts to rub off and I lose that corrosion barrier.

Like Pelagic mentioned, I don't always have time to oil a knife mid shift, nor would I want to.

Sure, I can carry a Salt, and usually do, but by offering carbon steel folders in DLC, Spyderco gives people like us more options when it comes to working knives.

Even S30V would rust within a week for me during my summer shifts, but because Spyderco offers it in DLC, I can carry it year round without a worry.

Makes sense.