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Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 4:21 pm
by Sharp Guy
Mushroom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:34 am
Sharp Guy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:21 pm
On one hand I can appreciate CQI. On the other hand these rolling changes lessen the value of the pre-CQI models.
Or it could actually increase the collector value because it’s the original version that is no longer being made.
For example, a collector might be willing to pay a little bit extra for a BNIB S30V PM2 or Para 3 because they’ve since been replaced by S45VN.
Yeah maybe (big maybe) years down the road. One example of what I mean. I have a first run Kapara. If I sold it today it would bring less than a CQI Kapara. I also have a second run Sage 5. It would also sell for less than a newer CQI Sage 5. Both of the knives I've mentioned have had the detents improved and ceramic detent balls added. Both function comparable to the CQI versions. I'm very happy with both knives and not actually interested in selling. I've just seen ads where the seller states the model in question is the newer CQI version and I've seen people ask if a knife for sale is the CQI version. So there's obviously more interest in the CQI versions
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:23 pm
by Mushroom
Sharp Guy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 4:21 pm
Mushroom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:34 am
Sharp Guy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:21 pm
On one hand I can appreciate CQI. On the other hand these rolling changes lessen the value of the pre-CQI models.
Or it could actually increase the collector value because it’s the original version that is no longer being made.
For example, a collector might be willing to pay a little bit extra for a BNIB S30V PM2 or Para 3 because they’ve since been replaced by S45VN.
Yeah maybe (big maybe) years down the road. One example of what I mean. I have a first run Kapara. If I sold it today it would bring less than a CQI Kapara. I also have a second run Sage 5. It would also sell for less than a newer CQI Sage 5. Both of the knives I've mentioned have had the detents improved and ceramic detent balls added. Both function comparable to the CQI versions. I'm very happy with both knives and not actually interested in selling. I've just seen ads where the seller states the model in question is the newer CQI version and I've seen people ask if a knife for sale is the CQI version. So there's obviously more interest in the CQI versions
I understood what you meant and I wasn’t disagreeing in general. I was mostly just saying that this particular change might not devalue the original “non-CQI” version as much as first thought and could even have the opposite effect. Especially since it is just a cosmetic change.
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:29 pm
by sal
Value is an interesting thing. Time helps. A 1958 Porsche Speedster sole fr $3100 when I was young. Now worth hundreds of thousands. Ever price a '57 Chevy? We sold our original Police model (PIG) for $50. The latest CQI Police is probably much improved, but...............
sal
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:05 pm
by Brant
They say looks are everything, and the new pivot looks great! Can’t wait to see where else it shows up.
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:42 pm
by Bill1170
I like it, too. Very handsome.
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:48 pm
by clinton1
Looks like a good reason to get another Smock! One of my favorites! Hope it comes out in a sprint or different steels!!!
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:25 pm
by Dazen
If anyone finds any CF aftermarket scales for the new pivot please post it here. I’ve got one inbound and looking to swap them out.
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:29 pm
by kriezek
I already have a Smock in S30V. And even though the Smock is quickly moving up in my favorites (I really, really like its button lock that is not dependent upon a spring, plus its a great flipper) I will force myself to wait until another Sprint or Exclusive comes out.
It is too hard to determine if a CQI or pre-CQI Smock would come based upon what I can tell. Many of the photos are still pre-CQI.
I was just getting ready to drop some $$ on after market scales too. Glad I waited.
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:37 am
by Dreamtvt
A modded Smock with updated pivot screw. It’s hard finding scales with this new pivot screw. A Ti scale would feel really nice.
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:48 am
by Michael Janich
Dear Dreamtvt:
Welcome to the Spyderco Forum.
Stay safe,
Mike
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:02 am
by riclaw
Dreamtvt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:37 am
A modded Smock
That looks sick. Awesome job!
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:32 am
by Dazen
Got some new goodies for the CQI smock. Thanks to RC Bladeworks for getting them done so fast.
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:42 pm
by SaltyCaribbeanDfly
Dazen wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:32 am
Got some new goodies for the CQI smock. Thanks to RC Bladeworks for getting them done so fast.
Beautiful
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:16 am
by Dazen
SaltyCaribbeanDfly wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:42 pm
Dazen wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:32 am
Got some new goodies for the CQI smock. Thanks to RC Bladeworks for getting them done so fast.
Beautiful
Thanks! While the bright colors are fun for the moment I’m probably going to swap them out for some sort of CF eventually.
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 7:03 am
by ilikesharpstuff
Sharp Guy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:21 pm
On one hand I can appreciate CQI. On the other hand these rolling changes lessen the value of the pre-CQI models.
All the more reason to buy knives because you like them and want to use and keep them!
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 8:27 am
by Sharp Guy
ilikesharpstuff wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 7:03 am
Sharp Guy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:21 pm
On one hand I can appreciate CQI. On the other hand these rolling changes lessen the value of the pre-CQI models.
All the more reason to buy knives because you like them and want to use and keep them!
I guess. While I really need to thin out my collection the fact is, I rarely sell knives. However, a lot of people do buy and sell knives regularly. Often I see people ask if a knife in question is the "CQI" version. In general, people don't want the pre-CQI models. I assume they perceive them as having a problem that needed to be corrected
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 9:09 am
by Bill1170
The new pivot screw is very handsome. Is the pivot screw’s shaft a larger diameter than the shaft of the older pivot screw?
Re: Smock: new style pivot
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 9:11 pm
by raygixxer89
Mushroom wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:02 pm
Spyderco also highlighted the new pivot on their social media pages recently.
I like it, I think it looks cool.
This thread reminds me that I lost my Smock last week. :
I hope I find it soon. It's driving me nuts!
