Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
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Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
Can’t wait for the Rex 121 Sage.
Dreading the day a cruwear Sage 5 lw is released…which will render every other 3” in my collection inferior in a definitive way
Dreading the day a cruwear Sage 5 lw is released…which will render every other 3” in my collection inferior in a definitive way
Crucarta: Shaman (x2), Manix 2, Lil Native, Delica, GB2 & PM2
Notable: 52100 and Cruwear Millie. “15v-arta” Shaman. REC Manix. K-carta Endura, P4, Dragonfly and Delica.
Favorites: Shaman, Sage 5 lightweight, Sheeps Caribbean, Manix, Endela and all things Stretch
Notable: 52100 and Cruwear Millie. “15v-arta” Shaman. REC Manix. K-carta Endura, P4, Dragonfly and Delica.
Favorites: Shaman, Sage 5 lightweight, Sheeps Caribbean, Manix, Endela and all things Stretch
Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
Has there been any indication on a release date?Manifestgtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:43 pmCan’t wait for the Rex 121 Sage.
Dreading the day a cruwear Sage 5 lw is released…which will render every other 3” in my collection inferior in a definitive way
Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
Hi Toneyc,
As a general rule, we do not release dates until we're ready to ship. Glitches happen and then there is disappointment.
sal
As a general rule, we do not release dates until we're ready to ship. Glitches happen and then there is disappointment.
sal
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Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
Rex 121, as Sal said…toneyc wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:44 pmHas there been any indication on a release date?Manifestgtr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:43 pmCan’t wait for the Rex 121 Sage.
Dreading the day a cruwear Sage 5 lw is released…which will render every other 3” in my collection inferior in a definitive way
and unless I’ve missed something major in the last week or two, there isn’t a cruwear sage in the works as far as the public is aware. That’s just a scenario of mine.
Crucarta: Shaman (x2), Manix 2, Lil Native, Delica, GB2 & PM2
Notable: 52100 and Cruwear Millie. “15v-arta” Shaman. REC Manix. K-carta Endura, P4, Dragonfly and Delica.
Favorites: Shaman, Sage 5 lightweight, Sheeps Caribbean, Manix, Endela and all things Stretch
Notable: 52100 and Cruwear Millie. “15v-arta” Shaman. REC Manix. K-carta Endura, P4, Dragonfly and Delica.
Favorites: Shaman, Sage 5 lightweight, Sheeps Caribbean, Manix, Endela and all things Stretch
Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
A Sage in a Crossbar Lock would be awesome!
The Crossbar (Axis) Lock seems to be gaining much more in popularity since the Benchmade patent ran out in 2016 (you still can’t call it Axis lock due to trademarks). I’ve gotten several impressive ones from various brands with different names for the Crossbar Lock:
— Hogue - ABLE Lock
— Kershaw - DuraLock
— Kizer - Clutch Lock
— Olight - Rail Lock
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Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
Could this be the Sage 6?RamZar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:38 pmA Sage in a Crossbar Lock would be awesome!
The Crossbar (Axis) Lock seems to be gaining much more in popularity since the Benchmade patent ran out in 2016 (you still can’t call it Axis lock due to trademarks). I’ve gotten several impressive ones from various brands with different names for the Crossbar Lock:
— Hogue - ABLE Lock
— Kershaw - DuraLock
— Kizer - Clutch Lock
— Olight - Rail Lock
Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
RamZar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:38 pmThe Crossbar (Axis) Lock seems to be gaining much more in popularity since the Benchmade patent ran out in 2016 (you still can’t call it Axis lock due to trademarks). I’ve gotten several impressive ones from various brands with different names for the Crossbar Lock:
— Hogue - ABLE Lock
— Kershaw - DuraLock
— Kizer - Clutch Lock
— Olight - Rail Lock
Interesting. Do all the variations also use something like an omega spring?
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Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
I believe Hogue uses Wolff Springs.Bolster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:53 pmRamZar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:38 pmThe Crossbar (Axis) Lock seems to be gaining much more in popularity since the Benchmade patent ran out in 2016 (you still can’t call it Axis lock due to trademarks). I’ve gotten several impressive ones from various brands with different names for the Crossbar Lock:
— Hogue - ABLE Lock
— Kershaw - DuraLock
— Kizer - Clutch Lock
— Olight - Rail Lock
Interesting. Do all the variations also use something like an omega spring?
- Jeff
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Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
Wouldn't that indicate far better spring reliability, cf the omega spring?
Although, found this vid, looks omega-like.
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Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
I think so. Wolf is a brand. I don't see how they could offer far better reliability.Bolster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:53 pmRamZar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:38 pmThe Crossbar (Axis) Lock seems to be gaining much more in popularity since the Benchmade patent ran out in 2016 (you still can’t call it Axis lock due to trademarks). I’ve gotten several impressive ones from various brands with different names for the Crossbar Lock:
— Hogue - ABLE Lock
— Kershaw - DuraLock
— Kizer - Clutch Lock
— Olight - Rail Lock
Interesting. Do all the variations also use something like an omega spring?
BM has a new flat wire Omega spring in the 710 re-release. And a coil spring in the Anthem. The narrows just slimmed things down a bit. BM's version of CQI?
Still hoping for the Snecx Superlock or the Demko Shark-Lock for the Sage 6. I think it fits with the theme of the Sage series if Spyderco can attribute the lock to a particular person.
- Richard
Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
Maybe with name recognition. I gifted my Hogue away and did not have enough time with it to determine personally how reliable it was. Back in the day I carried a Bugout quite often. Did have to send that one back to replace a well used broken spring.
- Jeff
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Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
What I meant to say is: "Wouldn't a coil spring offer far better reliability?" (When I did a quick search on Wolff springs, all I saw were coil springs.)
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Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
A coil spring design is more reliable (longer-lasting) than the current Omega spring design. I guess it's just harder to make an Axis lock with a coil spring? Why else wouldn't BM or another mfg make an Anthem 2.0 or clone?
- Richard
Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
Nah! I kind of had that same attitude for awhile. Now I have 150+ knives, many of which never get carried
I do like the Sage line though and I'm looking forward to (hopefully) a Sage 6 & 7
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Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
A coil spring like on the Manix seems extraordinarily more reliable. However, the Hogue like other bar locks uses a similar shape to the BM Axis lock spring. Wolff Springs from my understanding makes the springs for Hogue. I think it may have to do with both companies crossover into the firearm industry parts and accessories. Wolff makes lots of coil springs but not for the Hogues. This is just my understanding. I could be wrong
- Jeff
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Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
Bolster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:53 pmRamZar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:38 pmThe Crossbar (Axis) Lock seems to be gaining much more in popularity since the Benchmade patent ran out in 2016 (you still can’t call it Axis lock due to trademarks). I’ve gotten several impressive ones from various brands with different names for the Crossbar Lock:
— Hogue - ABLE Lock
— Kershaw - DuraLock
— Kizer - Clutch Lock
— Olight - Rail Lock
Interesting. Do all the variations also use something like an omega spring?
My latest from about a week ago is the Olight Rubato 4 with the Rail Lock, S35VN and Ultem scales. Here’s my pictures and you can see the spring.
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Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
Aha! Found a photo of the BM Anthem coil spring version of the axis lock....seems like a worthy upgrade. Rather Manix-like, if you ask me, tho with a much longer spring. I wouldn't say "no" to a Sage with a lock like this, tho I'll wager it's still under a patent protection...is it? All that aside, I'd rather see a Sage with a CBBL. I like the self-adjusting-for-wear logic and the solid lock-up of the CBBL.
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Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
Hi Riclaw,
I tried to communicate with Demko a number of times over the past few years since he broke with Lynn, but he never responded. Guess he's not interested.
We probably won't do anything with the "Cross-bar" Lock, as it seems to be very popular with a large number of Makers. Not very marketable to be the "last kid on the block". We didn't do anything when the patent expired out of respect for Benchmade. Maybe some time in the future? The same is probably true of the Snecx Lock? We'll think about it.
We have two new locks of our own that we've not been able to fit into production.
sal
Re: Sage series collection - What's the next Sage?
It’s not a bad lock but I think CBB is better by far. Cross bar springs always strike me as a failure point waiting to happen.
It may be an old lock at this point but the “phantom” lock from the Meerkat is still one of my favorites to fidget with. I have an old Meerkat that I know is here somewhere but cannot find, it’s driving me nuts.