Chinook II compared to III---Interview with James Keating
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Chinook II compared to III---Interview with James Keating
The Chinook III is often referred to as the Chinook II Flat Grind. This is important as Jim (James Keating) and I refer to the Chinook II flat grind as the Chinook III. Currently, the Chinook III is only available in plain edged to my knowledge, and the II is still in the hollow grind. For that sake, I am presenting pictures of the Chinook I, Chinook II hollow grind (older) and Chinook II flat grind (newer AKA the Chinook III), all in plain edge.
Chinook I (the original in 440V Steel)
Chinook II (hollow grind)
Chinook III/Chinook II (flat grind)
James;
Hi, this is Zac Nickey. I have a few questions that a couple of Spyderco guys want to know, including myself. I thought it would be neat if I could post it on the SpyderCo Forums as information comming directly from yourself as well as pictures comparing my Chinook II alongside the Chinook III.
> 1) How does the Chinook II differ from the III in a nutshell?
IT'S LIGHTER, STRONGER and LESS COSMETICALLY BASED and now, MORE PERFORMANCE ORIENTED. MEANING IT'LL CUT BETTER, CARRY EASIER AND RE-SHARPEN FASTER DUE TO THE SLIGHT CHANGES WE'VE ADDED.
> 2) The Chinook was designed as an MBC knifepecefically for a move you do called the backcut, correct?
YES
TO SUPPORT THAT TECHNIQUE AND THE PRESSURES and ISSUES SURROUNDING THAT ACTION.
> 3) In brief, could you describe the backcut for people not familiar with the Chinook's modified bowie design?
THE BACKCUT IS AN INVERTED / RETICULATED TYPE OF STRIKE. IT ARCS OVER AND ADVERSARY VERSUS COMING STRAIGHT AT THEM. IT FOLLOWS THE SAME LOGIC AND DESIGN AS ALL ANIMAL CLAWS AND FANGS. IT IS ONE OF THE FASTEST MOVEMENTS THE HUMAN BODY CAN MAKE (think thumbs up to suddenly switching to thumbs down) ITS A RIPPING TEAR TYPE OF WOUND. THE LOCK IS STRONG TO SUPPORT THE INVERTED PRESSURES THIS ACTION INDUCES.
> 4) What made you choose CPM-S30V over other possible steels currently on the market?
SIMPLY SAID IT WAS PERFORMANCE - IMPERVIOUSNESS, DURABILITY AND THE IMPACT RESISTANT QUALITIES AN MBC KNIFE SHOULD POSSESS. MANY SUCH FINAL JUDGEMENTS ARE THE DOMAIN OF SPYDERCO STAFF AND NOT ITS COLLABORATORS.
> 5) Spyderco has been tinkering with two supersteels. The first is ZDP-189 and the newest is M4, yet to see production on a good knife. Crucible Materials is saying that the edge retention on M4 steel is beyond most people's imagination and that it has amazing properties. Given that the Chinook has led the way to the strongest locking folder available, is it possible we will be seeing a run (or limited run) of the Chinook in any of these supersteels?
VERY POSSIBLY WE MIGHT SEE A "TEST" RUN OF FEW CHINOOKS W/ SOME EXOTIC STEEL. I KNOW THAT FEW RUNS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE. NOT MANY UNITS, BUT TO SEE HOW THEY PERFORM ETC. FOR A KNIFEMAN, EDGE RETENTION IS FAR LESS OF A FACTOR THAN THE MORE CRITICAL "IMPACT RESISTANCE" ELEMENT.
> 6) What is up with Ken Onion and those Hawaiian shirts (a good friend of mine wanted me to ask you that)?
SINCE KEN LIVES IN THE ISLANDS AND HIS WIFE IS NATIVE TO THE ISLANDS, IT SORT OF FITS HE'D BE REAL "POSITIVE" ON THE PLACE AND ALL THAT GOES ALONG W/ IT (LIKE THE SHIRTS AND SUCH). IT'S LIKE SINCE I LIVE ON A RANCH, IN THE MOUNTAINS I WEAR COWBOY HATS AND CARHARTT JEANS, THEY FIT THE ENVIRONS. ps: Ken is a good friend and a great guy. The "real deal" is tuff to find these days and Ken Onion is the REAL DEAL for sure whether it be knifemaking or tactical application, Ken's there baby!
--End Interview--
I did a bit of cutting on unrelated things I typed in the email, but that is the important part of it.
Continue discussion.
Chinook I (the original in 440V Steel)
Chinook II (hollow grind)
Chinook III/Chinook II (flat grind)
James;
Hi, this is Zac Nickey. I have a few questions that a couple of Spyderco guys want to know, including myself. I thought it would be neat if I could post it on the SpyderCo Forums as information comming directly from yourself as well as pictures comparing my Chinook II alongside the Chinook III.
> 1) How does the Chinook II differ from the III in a nutshell?
IT'S LIGHTER, STRONGER and LESS COSMETICALLY BASED and now, MORE PERFORMANCE ORIENTED. MEANING IT'LL CUT BETTER, CARRY EASIER AND RE-SHARPEN FASTER DUE TO THE SLIGHT CHANGES WE'VE ADDED.
> 2) The Chinook was designed as an MBC knifepecefically for a move you do called the backcut, correct?
YES
TO SUPPORT THAT TECHNIQUE AND THE PRESSURES and ISSUES SURROUNDING THAT ACTION.
> 3) In brief, could you describe the backcut for people not familiar with the Chinook's modified bowie design?
THE BACKCUT IS AN INVERTED / RETICULATED TYPE OF STRIKE. IT ARCS OVER AND ADVERSARY VERSUS COMING STRAIGHT AT THEM. IT FOLLOWS THE SAME LOGIC AND DESIGN AS ALL ANIMAL CLAWS AND FANGS. IT IS ONE OF THE FASTEST MOVEMENTS THE HUMAN BODY CAN MAKE (think thumbs up to suddenly switching to thumbs down) ITS A RIPPING TEAR TYPE OF WOUND. THE LOCK IS STRONG TO SUPPORT THE INVERTED PRESSURES THIS ACTION INDUCES.
> 4) What made you choose CPM-S30V over other possible steels currently on the market?
SIMPLY SAID IT WAS PERFORMANCE - IMPERVIOUSNESS, DURABILITY AND THE IMPACT RESISTANT QUALITIES AN MBC KNIFE SHOULD POSSESS. MANY SUCH FINAL JUDGEMENTS ARE THE DOMAIN OF SPYDERCO STAFF AND NOT ITS COLLABORATORS.
> 5) Spyderco has been tinkering with two supersteels. The first is ZDP-189 and the newest is M4, yet to see production on a good knife. Crucible Materials is saying that the edge retention on M4 steel is beyond most people's imagination and that it has amazing properties. Given that the Chinook has led the way to the strongest locking folder available, is it possible we will be seeing a run (or limited run) of the Chinook in any of these supersteels?
VERY POSSIBLY WE MIGHT SEE A "TEST" RUN OF FEW CHINOOKS W/ SOME EXOTIC STEEL. I KNOW THAT FEW RUNS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE. NOT MANY UNITS, BUT TO SEE HOW THEY PERFORM ETC. FOR A KNIFEMAN, EDGE RETENTION IS FAR LESS OF A FACTOR THAN THE MORE CRITICAL "IMPACT RESISTANCE" ELEMENT.
> 6) What is up with Ken Onion and those Hawaiian shirts (a good friend of mine wanted me to ask you that)?
SINCE KEN LIVES IN THE ISLANDS AND HIS WIFE IS NATIVE TO THE ISLANDS, IT SORT OF FITS HE'D BE REAL "POSITIVE" ON THE PLACE AND ALL THAT GOES ALONG W/ IT (LIKE THE SHIRTS AND SUCH). IT'S LIKE SINCE I LIVE ON A RANCH, IN THE MOUNTAINS I WEAR COWBOY HATS AND CARHARTT JEANS, THEY FIT THE ENVIRONS. ps: Ken is a good friend and a great guy. The "real deal" is tuff to find these days and Ken Onion is the REAL DEAL for sure whether it be knifemaking or tactical application, Ken's there baby!
--End Interview--
I did a bit of cutting on unrelated things I typed in the email, but that is the important part of it.
Continue discussion.
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You are right on the money; it is too easy to become a steel snob and forget factors other than edge retention. To be honest, I don't mind resharpening my blades. I really don't. If it will hold its edge long enough to get through a violent confrontation, that is, IMO, good enough for an SD knife.zenheretic wrote:I found the part about impact resistance over edge retention to be uplifting. If a person has a knife dedicated to SD only, edge retention would be of less import. :)
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Acutally, even for utility I prefer toughness over edge retention(but only barely). I'd much rather sharpen my knife for five minutes once a week, than have to get the diamond stones out and spend an hour just to sharpen out the chips in the blade.
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The blade is infact changed...Keating claims it to be easier to cut with and much easier to sharpen.greencobra wrote:Good stuff, thanks. Not only is the blade thinner, it looks like it was slightly changed a bit. I've looked at the photo for a while and it may be an illusion between the hollow and flat grinds. Flat grind has a more pronounced tip.
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Great interview, Zac!
The new Chinook II looks thinner; that'll be a plus for most every type of use.
The new Chinook II looks thinner; that'll be a plus for most every type of use.
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:spyder: This motion sounds just like the Karate ridge-hand but with a knife.Zac wrote: 3) In brief, could you describe the backcut for people not familiar with the Chinook's modified bowie design?
THE BACKCUT IS AN INVERTED / RETICULATED TYPE OF STRIKE. IT ARCS OVER AND ADVERSARY VERSUS COMING STRAIGHT AT THEM. IT FOLLOWS THE SAME LOGIC AND DESIGN AS ALL ANIMAL CLAWS AND FANGS. IT IS ONE OF THE FASTEST MOVEMENTS THE HUMAN BODY CAN MAKE (think thumbs up to suddenly switching to thumbs down) ITS A RIPPING TEAR TYPE OF WOUND. THE LOCK IS STRONG TO SUPPORT THE INVERTED PRESSURES THIS ACTION INDUCES.
No matter how much hoopla or hype any particular technique du jour gets on the internet it always boils down to the human anatomy where there's nothing new under the sun.
One often sees testimonials about the unstoppable devastating ability of the back cut. It makes me think of Mr. Miyagi speaking of the Crane stance; "when done correct, no can defend."
In a less comic book tone Steve Grody teaches "anything can be countered and anything can work." I think that's very powerful.
In no way construe this as a criticism of MAAJAK, I'm just talkin' about the way things get blown up on the internet. People often talk as if one can stick the back-cut technique under their belt and that's it. Well, the viability of a back-cut is determined by the relationship of body positioning and that's determined by footwork.
Oh well, enough of my blather, it's time for me to go train. Stay safe and injury free folks. :spyder:
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There is great power in the profound observation of the obvious. John Stone, Rokudan; Aikikai
Basically what would be preferred is how to distinguish all three models...anyone?D-Roc wrote:I'm just trying to get an idea of the Chinook Model's transition.... was the Chinook II serrated? I thought it was the the Chinook I that was so, what is the difference between all three?
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